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post #11 of 20 Old 10-24-2013, 06:53 PM Thread Starter
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You're right, I thought that too. Trailer is on hold for a bit now as colt just came up lame though.
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post #12 of 20 Old 10-24-2013, 07:03 PM
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2 x 6 or 2 x 8 makes no difference. Check what fits better width ways.
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post #13 of 20 Old 11-02-2013, 11:04 AM
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Floor supports need to be checked for rust through and integrity same as your mechanic would check the frame on a car...also all welds that hold and at the cross-member locations.
Axles, wiring underneath is not damaged or compromised from sitting in a field where grass, moisture can do a lot of damage to undercarriages of vehicles.
A floor of plywood...1" thick would of been a special order. Any under 1" I would be concerned with it being strong enough. I'm not sure I would want my horse on a 1" thick plywood floor regardless.
Remember a horses weight is concentrated where the feet are not spread out over the entire floor area...most horse trailers have planks of 2" thick usually 8" wide.
There is also a drainage issue for you with a solid floor.
Urine will not have a way to drain between the planks as trailers are made to have happen... same goes for manure...pretty caustic and wet sitting on that wood floor...{planks are spaced a nail width apart for drainage, maybe drilling some holes in the floor would help some with this but you run the risk of weakening the floor too with it only being 1" thick to start with}
Check all the floor edges for weakness and wood sponginess not only by stand and bounce on it but a screwdrivers poke test... you want to know and fix those weak spots before putting your horse inside and he go through the floor.
Make sure all hinges are working freely, doors, window tracks are sliding correctly and if jalousie window in the front it opens and closes easily, screens if the trailer has them not torn.
Wiring inside the trailer is safely secured to the wall maybe in conduit or plastic pipe to keep it safer from the horse and corrosion.
Brakes and the entire braking system in good working order.
Tires are trailer tires, not car/truck tires. They are made differently and safety is your biggest concern here!
Your hitch works correctly, safety chains are in good condition, emergency brake cord activates if it is on the trailer...the hitch is not rusted and welds are good, strong and safe...
Lighting, interior and exterior all work correctly with no cracked light covers.
If your trailer is a ramp make sure the ramp assist springs are safely in place and adjusted for ease and safety in using the ramp.
Butt chains/bars have good securement snaps or pins. The slot on the wall is secure, no jagged edges to catch the horse as he walks in or out.

Above all else, remember once you are satisfied your trailer is safe and ready for use... HAVE FUN!!
You don't want trailer tires on a trailer. You want light duty passenger vehicle tires, they will last longer and ride just as good, and you'll have less flat tires, just make sure they are the same size and are what we call "highway" tread tires. I've worked on trailers and vehicles for years, so trust me... They are not dangerous to have vehicle tires in place of trailer tires. I've been doing it for years, and have had less problems than with trailer tires. They just have to be the right size for your rim.

Make sure your hitch is easy to latch/unlatch, make sure you have BOTH safety chains, make sure all the lights work, and trailer brakes (if equipped
) work properly.

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post #14 of 20 Old 11-02-2013, 12:23 PM Thread Starter
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I know nothing about tires but will have him check them. This is starting to look like a bigger project than I originally thought, since I have already decided to replace the floor.
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post #15 of 20 Old 11-02-2013, 01:40 PM
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You don't want trailer tires on a trailer. You want light duty passenger vehicle tires, they will last longer and ride just as good, and you'll have less flat tires, just make sure they are the same size and are what we call "highway" tread tires. I've worked on trailers and vehicles for years, so trust me... They are not dangerous to have vehicle tires in place of trailer tires. I've been doing it for years, and have had less problems than with trailer tires. They just have to be the right size for your rim.

Make sure your hitch is easy to latch/unlatch, make sure you have BOTH safety chains, make sure all the lights work, and trailer brakes (if equipped
) work properly.

Sorry... I don't trust you nor your judgement about using proper tires for the intended application.
Passenger tires are made for passenger vehicles...that is not a trailer!!

Trailer tires are made for & with a different use and intended application. They are made with a proper sidewall construction that is not the same as used on a passenger car tire nor a truck tire.

Proper tire inflation makes for a quality ride.... as does a radial tire or bias ply tire.

Katie...please... ask a professional horse trailer dealer what tire should be on your horse trailer.
The poster {aofarrell2} may not have had an issue, the word is YET...

I promise you...there is a difference and trailer tires should be used on a trailer.
If they need to be replaced do it right.
They do not cost much more than other tires and will not tear apart as is common when you put the wrong tire on a trailer and have a blow-out and or catastrophic failure.

As for the other comments about hitch, lights, safety chains and brakes... agreed!!
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post #16 of 20 Old 11-02-2013, 04:06 PM
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Katie....
I dug out some informative articles about the differences of tires and why it is so important to do the right tire.
Also remember that you are moving live cargo {horses} and that also can make a huge difference than say a camping trailer or boat.

Truck tires are nearly the same price as a dedicated trailer tire.

Here are the links:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...jsp?techid=219


And another...

http://www.taskmasterproducts.com/ac...ailertires.pdf

Please read the article, then make a informed educated decision.

Today, although many companies were having their trailer tires manufactured overseas it has now been reversed and they are being again made here in the USA, Canada.

Please think carefully about the information you receive from these articles and use it to make the most informed decision about the trailer tires when you need to replace them...

Please, for you and for the horses you tow, be safe on the road.
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post #17 of 20 Old 01-05-2014, 05:27 PM
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I could not disagree more (respectably) with the gentlemen that says passenger tires are safe to use with a trailer. There's a reason why they make "ST" (or special trailer) tires - they are made for completely different applications and ST tires are designed specifically for the job of towing a trailer. Read this, it may help.

Trailer Tires - HitchAnything.com
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post #18 of 20 Old 01-05-2014, 05:46 PM
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It's a misnomer that passenger vehicle tires cannot be used for trailers. In many ways they are superior to trailer tires - PLENTY (I mean tens or hundreds of THOUSANDS) of people in the RV crowd have switched to using LT (light Truck) tires on their travel trailers. I had LT's on my last 5'th wheel travel trailer. Trailers have travelled millions of miles on them and the results are almost universally better. Go read over at rv.net if you want plenty of proof.

The problem with ST trailer tires is that increasingly, almost all of them are JUNK. They are made in China and the quality isn't there. They come with the assumption that a lot of trailers travel only a few miles every year - a lot of RV'ers rarely tow more than hour from home. They are built to within a hair of their ratings. There are often quality issues that don't appear until they fail.

They are also notorious for blowing up. You only need to search the term "chinese ST trailer tire bomb" for some very enlightening reading. Spend some time over at rv.net and you'll soon read about all the RV'ers who went to the LT tires years ago and have never looked back.

You CAN buy good quality ST tires, but they cost about the same as LT's, are harder to find (vs easy to find LT's), and aren't that much different in the end. In the end, LT's are the preferred option for many now. The only thing you need to make sure is that they are rated properly - you may have to buy a higher rating (higher ply count) LT tire to achieve a proper weight carrying capacity - this is essential, and really, no different vs buying an ST tire.

As for having a non-trailer-savvy mechanic looking at the trailer, it shouldn't be a problem - trailers are simple. Reiterate that you are most concerned about structural integrity and safety with him and that you can't (or won't) take any risks if ANYTHING doesn't look right. It's not rocket science and anyone that can identify a bearing from a light bulb should be able to identify any problem areas.
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It's a misnomer that passenger vehicle tires cannot be used for trailers. In many ways they are superior to trailer tires - PLENTY (I mean tens or hundreds of THOUSANDS) of people in the RV crowd have switched to using LT (light Truck) tires on their travel trailers. I had LT's on my last 5'th wheel travel trailer. Trailers have travelled millions of miles on them and the results are almost universally better. Go read over at rv.net if you want plenty of proof.

The problem with ST trailer tires is that increasingly, almost all of them are JUNK. They are made in China and the quality isn't there. They come with the assumption that a lot of trailers travel only a few miles every year - a lot of RV'ers rarely tow more than hour from home. They are built to within a hair of their ratings. There are often quality issues that don't appear until they fail.

They are also notorious for blowing up. You only need to search the term "chinese ST trailer tire bomb" for some very enlightening reading. Spend some time over at rv.net and you'll soon read about all the RV'ers who went to the LT tires years ago and have never looked back.

You CAN buy good quality ST tires, but they cost about the same as LT's, are harder to find (vs easy to find LT's), and aren't that much different in the end. In the end, LT's are the preferred option for many now. The only thing you need to make sure is that they are rated properly - you may have to buy a higher rating (higher ply count) LT tire to achieve a proper weight carrying capacity - this is essential, and really, no different vs buying an ST tire.

As for having a non-trailer-savvy mechanic looking at the trailer, it shouldn't be a problem - trailers are simple. Reiterate that you are most concerned about structural integrity and safety with him and that you can't (or won't) take any risks if ANYTHING doesn't look right. It's not rocket science and anyone that can identify a bearing from a light bulb should be able to identify any problem areas.

This guy says it all.

And may I ask, why do TIRE manufacturers STATE on the application charts that a LT tire can be used in place of a ST tire? It goes without saying that you shouldn't use a P style tire.

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post #20 of 20 Old 01-10-2014, 06:26 AM
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You don't want trailer tires on a trailer. You want light duty passenger vehicle tires, they will last longer and ride just as good,

Big difference between passenger tires and light truck tires,by the sounds of this trailer it may be hard to find LT tires of proper size. Sidewall flex in 'P' tires make them unusable.
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