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    08-24-2010, 07:23 AM
  #21
Foal
Sounds like you have enough info. On the trailers. The truck info that you didn't say is what you want to pull one horse or 10 horses, and would this also be your daily driving truck or just for pulling the trailor?
If your going to have to drive this truck daily and your only pulling one-two regular size horses, I wouldn't get a F250 or Chevy 2500(both 3/4 ton trucks) The gas will eat you alive. If your only going locally and have one-two horses a regular full size truck will be fine for you and you'll get better gas mileage, not good but better.
     
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    08-24-2010, 10:16 AM
  #22
Showing
What's funny about trucks is that it seems like the older models get better gas mileage. My brother has a mid 90's chevy that averages about 23 mpg. Our old 86 one ton averages 14 pulling a fully loaded trailer. I have heard that you are lucky to get 10 in the newer trucks when pulling a load.
     
    08-24-2010, 04:05 PM
  #23
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by smrobs    
What's funny about trucks is that it seems like the older models get better gas mileage. My brother has a mid 90's chevy that averages about 23 mpg. Our old 86 one ton averages 14 pulling a fully loaded trailer. I have heard that you are lucky to get 10 in the newer trucks when pulling a load.
Exactly! I drive an 88 chevy 1 ton dually - and when I was pulling the big trailer (41 ft long, 10,00 lbs empty) I got roughly 14 mpg on it. I pulled a little 2 horse bumper pull when I went to pick up Monty, and got about 16 mpg, which normal for that truck when not pulling anything is 18 mpg. No matter what I tow it doesn't seem to hurt the gas mileage too much.
     
    08-24-2010, 08:36 PM
  #24
Weanling
To make things scarier about gas mileage, I had one dealer that swore up and down to me that a gas engine in a 3/4 ton newer truck, hauling loaded, will only get about 4mph pretty much regardless of what rear end gearing you have in it. Now, I don't believe it is that bad. But discussing this with my brother, who is a trailer salesman and hauls his own personal trailer around with a gas truck in town steared me heavily away from a gas engine due to mileage and due to hauling power. They don't get you up to speed as quickly, even on flat roads, and with me being used to the diesels, he felt like I wouldn't be happy or feel safe with them on the highway. In town, he has no issues with them for trips to the vet, local ropings, etc, but going down the road, nope.
     
    08-24-2010, 09:10 PM
  #25
Showing
I have also heard that diesels are the way to go. The only bad thing about them is it costs you an arm, a leg, and your firstborn child if it ever has to go to the mechanic LOL.
     
    08-25-2010, 12:15 AM
  #26
Weanling
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Originally Posted by smrobs    
I have also heard that diesels are the way to go. The only bad thing about them is it costs you an arm, a leg, and your firstborn child if it ever has to go to the mechanic LOL.
oh boy, this can of worms... there are so many people with SO many opinions there. Me, i'm sold on old #2. Had my powerstroke for almost five years now, and I love it. I wouldn't trade it, plus right now I COULDN'T.

The opinions start coming, AVOIDING brand wars as best I can... i'll talk from more of a ford point because that's what I KNOW, but GM and dodge are in the same boat, for the most part...

The older ones (95 to 03 7.3L powerstrokes) were generally pretty darn reliable. Sluggish, but they'd do the job. Late 03 brought us the 6.0 'strokers, which I have an 04.

So many out there mash and bash them because they're "junk." bull, there were some bad ones in 03 and 04 but with the sheer number of them that ford sold, they're really pretty few and far between. I've had some problems, but they're all due to those two years, and some of it is MY fault. Higher mileage 6.0s are actually what i'd buy instead of low mileage because the LOWER mileage is more likely to be a lemon (hence why it lacks miles, in many cases). By 05 most of the problems had been worked out.

The 6.0 brought us EGR (exhaust gas recirculation, ala emissions b.s.). They don't take excessive idling well, not enough heat is created to burn everything out of the EGR valve at idle. But if you get a good one, they generally get BETTER mileage than 7.3s and WILL pull CIRCLES around a 7.3.

Then we had the 6.4 from 08 to 10. It brought yet another emissions measure, DPF (diesel particulate filter). It traps unburnt stuff and when the DPF fills it goes into "regeneration." this is where it dumps fuel into the exhaust and burns off the crap in the DPF. Many 6.4s get tremendous mileage, some didn't. 08's were the worst. Like the 6.0's, it took a year to work out the bugs.

2011 brought us the all new ford built 6.7L powerstroke and another new emissions measure yet, urea injection. Dunno real well how it works.

Anyhow, GM with their duramax and dodge with the cummins have some similar issues/problems, but their timelines aren't totally the same. There's a LOT of new technology in the latest generations of diesels and the new emissions regs are hurting us BADLY. However, they're quite impressive machines. If ya want an oil burner, i'd look at an early 2000's variety, any brand. They ALL have their issues, but they're all supposed to be pretty good (and I don't like the duramax at all, but that's just personal preference on my part).

But for reference: I have an 04, crew cab, short bed, diesel 4x4, 6 spd manual. I average over 17 mpg, depending, I was averaging more like 19 with a K&N intake but took that POS off, bad for the turbo's health. Anyhow, the people we worked for in NY had same year, pretty much same configuration with a 5.4l gas motor and an automatic and they averaged under 13. That's what i'll average on a LONG haul loaded. Going local, and I drive less conservative loaded because i'm already burning heaps of fuel, it's more like 11.5 or 12. But it NEVER misses a beat.
     
    08-25-2010, 12:27 AM
  #27
Showing
I mostly go by what my brother says about diesels as that's all he's driven for years (personal trucks and company trucks at a feedlot) and I have never owned one. I think his is a '94 and he loves it but told me about one that they had at the feed lot that got 6 mpg. That was fully loaded, empty trailer, no trailer at all, town and highway. At least it was consistent at 6 LOL. For pulling and hauling, there is no better way to go, they are just more expensive to fix. He had to replace some little minor part (I don't remember what it was now....fuel filter maybe) and it ended up costing him about $2000.
     
    08-25-2010, 11:57 PM
  #28
Weanling
LOL! Fuel filter? My pickup has two and they're $35 for the set from international.

Injectors could be the issue, had 2 of them crap out about six months ago and it was a 900 bill, had another one (had other issues addressed at the same time) and it was another 980 bucks. The injectors themselves from ford are $273 and change. Talk about expensive!
     
    08-26-2010, 12:09 AM
  #29
Showing
That may have been it, I don't remember. I am not very mechanically inclined. I can check the fluids and change a tire but that's the extent of my knowledge .
     
    08-27-2010, 01:13 AM
  #30
Weanling
No worries, I understand what some of the stuff is, but not how it REALLY works. Put it in front of me? I'm lost...

However i'm a servicing dang fool, c'mon, i'm a "mechanic" for a trucking company nowdays. That's most of what they do. Lol
     

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