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post #11 of 29 Old 07-26-2010, 11:16 PM
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Yea I have been tieing him and letting him break the twine but he insists on continuing. I have had a friend assist in holding a lead rope connected to one side of his halter hile i held the other and simulated being tied on the wash rack and he was pretty sketchy. Im at the barn by myself 99% of the time so I dont know how to do thay myself. I wish i could.
He will continue to not want to be tied as long as he can break free. He needs to be safely and securely tied to something REALLY strong and REALLY well anchored. Let him fight for whatever it takes and he'll learn to be tied. He must NOT be able to break free.

But, as previously posted, it may not be the time now... depends how much time you have available.

I don't tie my horses in the trailer. Ever.
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post #12 of 29 Old 07-27-2010, 12:40 AM
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^^^ Agree totally. Now is NOT the time, but if he can break free (twine) how is that teaching him anything-good, that is.

Good luck, and he is not new to trailering at all-he just went 300 miles not 6 months ago-he just doesn't tie! I personally don't see a need for the whole "orient to trailer" drill.

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post #13 of 29 Old 07-27-2010, 01:18 PM Thread Starter
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The twine is connected to quick release straps for safety. Our barn manager is against rubber mats, and hes standing on concrete. I have heard too many horror stories of horses falling and getting very hurt spooking on concrete and not being able to break free. The quick release straps are quite hard to release when a horse is rearing and terrified.
I know hes not necessarily "new" to trailering, but he tied better when I got him. He went straight into a 30 day training program and something must have gone wrong during that time. Nothing brought to my attention, but present none the less. He has broken 2 safety halters, and bent a non safety halter buckle to being unusable. I'm not looking to be judged, I feel a little negativity in the vibes here, but I'm just looking for this to be as safe an experience as possible..
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Safety is also measured by what is around the horse. Who/what will the horse hurt besides himself when he freaks out and runs away? No quick release, no break-outs, no leather halters, no easy-free halters. Nylon halter with a neck strap. Tie him and tie him well. Tie him on a 6"x6" post that is sunk 4 feet into the ground away from the concrete. Not on a fence post, but possibly there might be part of the barn structure outside that will be strong enough. If nothing breaks, the horse won't either. He'll test it and figure it out pretty quickly. It not, he may have issues that can't be "fixed." Horses are really very good at figuring out what hurts and what doesn't, long before they get hurt. (If left to their own devices, that is.)

However, for safety in the trailer, ESPECIALLY with this horse, just don't tie him. Simple. Make sure the transporter is well aware of the issue.

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Safety is also measured by what is around the horse. Who/what will the horse hurt besides himself when he freaks out and runs away? No quick release, no break-outs, no leather halters, no easy-free halters. Nylon halter with a neck strap. Tie him and tie him well. Tie him on a 6"x6" post that is sunk 4 feet into the ground away from the concrete. Not on a fence post, but possibly there might be part of the barn structure outside that will be strong enough. If nothing breaks, the horse won't either. He'll test it and figure it out pretty quickly. It not, he may have issues that can't be "fixed." Horses are really very good at figuring out what hurts and what doesn't, long before they get hurt. (If left to their own devices, that is.)

However, for safety in the trailer, ESPECIALLY with this horse, just don't tie him. Simple. Make sure the transporter is well aware of the issue.

Exactly.....I would put a double halter on him and just let him figure it out on his own.....May not be a pretty sight but he will learn quickly that he can't break loose.... And yes make the shipper aware.Or you may end up paying for more than trailering fees.....

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I spoke with the shipper twice and both times she insists that she always ties horses, she uses a bungee lead so they dont freak out. She has been so adamant that his haul will go smoothly. I'm considering buying a blocker tie ring for the trailer. Thanks for all the advice. I will see if I can move some horses out of the main pasture where there is a huge cylinder wood stump with a clip on it for tying horses out.
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I have to admit that a horse not tying is one of my biggest pet peeves. There are too many times that an animal is in trouble, injured, a fence is down, someone else is hurt, needs to be moved, etc. Horses NEED to tie it's just not an option.

I agree with the rest of them. Double halter her or neck rope her with a halter, tie her to something sturdy, grab a chair and sit out of firing range. Unless she is in a position where she may die or become SERIOUSLY injured just let her fight it. If she falls on the ground, bounces around, leans on the rope, rears, whatever just ignore her. Don't speak to her, don't touch her, just let her figure it out.


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I spoke with the shipper twice and both times she insists that she always ties horses, she uses a bungee lead so they dont freak out. She has been so adamant that his haul will go smoothly. I'm considering buying a blocker tie ring for the trailer. Thanks for all the advice. I will see if I can move some horses out of the main pasture where there is a huge cylinder wood stump with a clip on it for tying horses out.
Bungee leads break and take an eye out, not good
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^^ Bungee lead? I agree, not safe at all.

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Maybe you should find a different "professional" shipper. If you can. They may have insurance that will pay, but $ doesn't make up for an injured animal in my mind.
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Its a shipper off uship who has extremely good reviews. I didnt go with the cheapest bid, I went with a company who had a nice slant load trailer, who had excellent reviews, and I can track their movement. Ive looked several times and this driver is all over the east coast, weekly runs from FL to NY and everywhere in between. There was no negative results on her feedback. She has had excellent communication. Plus, me being the organizational freak that I am, I booked this weeks ago, for a haul in 4 weeks. I will work with Cooper on tying. BTW, I just bought a tie blocker from SmartPak so it will be available for her when hes picked up.

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