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post #31 of 32 Old 09-15-2010, 10:59 PM
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weeeeeell, diesel mileage on anything 07 and newer can be debatable. the problem is all the new emissions stuff (dpf's, egr's, and the newest myriad called urea injection). no brand is immune, but since i AM a ford guy it's where i can speak from. the 08 to 10 6.4L powerstrokes are wonderful, gobs of power, but mileage, especially in 08, was all over the board. you'd see guys buying brand new ones and starting to get them broke in getting mileage all over the board, from10 to 20. empty. got a dodge buddy in PA who says the new 6.7 cummins is the same story. i just stay away from chevy's duramax, i personally don't like it.

the nice thing on some of the newer HDs is the advent of built in trailer brake controls. IOW, you ain't got to go buy a controller and install it. but the one in my 04 was a snap. bought the control (tekonosha prodegy [sp?]) for about 100 bucks, a $13 adapter, plugged adapter in dash, control to adapter, and screwed to underside of dash. took less than 20 minutes.

however out here in the flats, i would have never put one in. hauled my horses plenty, and lotsa cows, without a brake control. but nobody's driving like a maniac either. going through PA on I80, however, i wouldn't have wanted to NOT have one...
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post #32 of 32 Old 09-16-2010, 02:10 PM
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If you look at the Big Three diesels, 3/4 T HD, from 2009 and earlier, the horse people rank them about like this:

#1 Dodge -- Will outpull anything; has high noise level in the passenger cabin; Cummins engine is strong but the transmission is weak and the rest of the drive train is average. Dodge seats are not very ergomatic and are akin to the old flat bench seats. I personally would have to have replaced those seats with aftermarket ones if I'd bought a Dodge. The Quarter Horse show circuit has a joke about "don't leave home without your extra transmission in the bed."

#2 Chevy Duramax -- 2006 and 2007 Classic are the current "best" years to own. I have an '06 2500HD. Both of those model years actually went UP in value about $6000 to $7000 from 2009 to 2010, due to the latest models not having the fuel mileage and also GM stopped or cut back production of HD trucks and that squeezed the fleet owners. The engine is strong and also quiet and the Duramax cabin has always been insulated for sound. The Alllision automatic is fantastic under all but the heaviest use. I don't know about the manual one. Injector probs were solved by '05 or '06. The front end is a little weak and needs rebuilds but those parts are cheap compared the engines and transmissions. Sheet metal on the '06 and '07 is okay but is thin on the '07 & up body style. Bed rails bend under a man's weight??! GMC diesel is harder to find, but sometimes less expensive to insure than the Chevy even though it's the same truck. If the Dodge crudeness annoys you, try a Duramax. In the non-dually, the only difference between 2500HD and 3500HD is the springs. I'm not sure why these trucks are getting a bad rap. Dieselplace forum for them.

To say something negative about my own truck: I still would swear on a stack of Bibles that it's a 7/8 scale truck. Park it beside a '93 Chevy or 2004 Chevy full size or a '97 Dodge full size. It's got a certain petiteness about it. Try to seat 3 people across the cab, and you will definitely notice that. wth, who shrunk the truck?!

#3 Ford F-250 and F-350 -- Well, I've been a loyal Ford owner since 1986 and even I don't want to be test pilot for whatever engine weakness du jour Ford tries to pass off. Just put the 7.3 back in there for now, and go do your own R&D work no your own coin, Ford. I am not their test pilot unless Ford is paying me. Other Ford owners may feel differently, but Ford has been decontenting since 1996, and the engine of a towing vehicle had better be d***** reliable. I have car club friend who tunes Ford trucks. Even he says the best year of PowerStroke to own is the 1996.

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