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  • Best gmc for towing horse trailer
  • Best 4x4 for towing trailer with cattle in

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    10-09-2011, 02:49 AM
  #11
Green Broke
Darn laptop posted before I wanted and now it's to late to edit. To finish what I was going to post:

Yes and F150 will tow a horse trailer but that's not where the issue lies.

-Stopping is just as important as go power, F150 will have smaller brakes then an F250/F350.
-Tow packages on an F150 beef up the springs but you still have the same lighter frame as every other F150.
-Matter of fact the entire running gear set will be lighter then F250/F350, this starts showing itself later in the vehicles life then when still relatively new as wear and tear set in.
-Now my biggest problem with all 1/2 ton pickups and SUV's. They don't have a full floating rear axle. What that means is if your axle breaks it can pop out the side of your rear end. Not a fun situation while towing, even worse with livestock. HD F250 and up in class all have full floating axles, if they break you lose forward motion but your wheel doesn't take off on it's own adventures.

All in all a F150 will be cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate (generally), smoother ride and will get the job done towing most of the time. Now ask yourself is all those points more important then the safe towing of your horse? If you prefer to safely tow your horse, pony up for a heavier duty pickup. That's what they were built for in the first place.
     
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    10-09-2011, 03:14 AM
  #12
Foal
Darrin, I might have to take you shopping with me! Just kidding

Thank you to everyone who responded. This information is truly invaluable.


Regards 4x4...do I NEED it or is 2WD sufficient?
     
    10-09-2011, 09:16 AM
  #13
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Darrin    
Yes and F150 will tow a horse trailer but that's not where the issue lies.

-Stopping is just as important as go power, F150 will have smaller brakes then an F250/F350.

That's false, F150's have different brakes for different models, some are the same or better than some F250 brakes. You can't make blanket statements of what a F150 or 250 can do or can't do, both come equiped differently.
That's like saying a blue truck has better brakes than a red truck.
Besides horse trailers have brakes on the trailer axels, that's what stops your trailer, and it is vehicle weight that stops it as a backup. The weight difference between a properly equipped F150 and a base 250 is negligible.

There is alot of overlap in capabilities, My 2004 F150 had a light duty, 3:31 axel, smaller brakes, 16" wheels, and a dinky 4.6 engine that was only rated for about 3500 lbs if I remeber, with a small horse trailer it couldnt get out of it's own way. But it got 22mpg interstate,,,

My current truck is a 2007 F150 with a 5..4 High output, FX4, Max tow package,huge brakes, will run circles around the 250 gas trucks, heavy suspension, and rated at 9800lbs towing. Will pull a 3600lb sundowner gooseneck with no issues, stops fine, plenty of weight.
But I get 18 highway empty and 14 towing.

My point is I wouldnt listen to anyone that makes blanket statements about 150, 250 ,350, look at the manufacturers tow guide rating of the exact model and features of the specific trucks you are comparing.
     
    10-09-2011, 09:39 AM
  #14
Trained
You do need to consider braking with a towing vehicle! Good brakes and the vehicle itself being heavy enough.

We were towing one horse in a two-horse straight load, using a borrowed Toyota Landcruiser. Driving down the road at 80km/h (don't know what that converts to in miles) and almost hit an emu, had to brake HARD with horse on board! Float didn't even wobble, car was perfectly secure on the road and did not move an inch sideways. Had we had to do the same with a smaller vehicle (many many people local to me tow with sedans) we would have been in trouble. Float has brakes but not very good ones, so there is the chance we may have jack-knifed and had a very serious crash. The emu escaped sans a few tail feathers. We escaped unhurt, horse was absolutely fine, but more than a little shaken.

Could have been SO different.
     
    10-09-2011, 10:36 AM
  #15
Foal
I recently bought a 2011 GMC Sierra 1500 and it pulls my 2-horse trailer just fine. It has the towing package with the transmission cooler and the factory trailer brakes. BUT when we need to pull the stock trailer with a load of cattle or a load of 4-5 horses then we use our 2004 Chevy Duramax. That thing is a powerhouse.

I'm a GM fan. The Ford diesels have terrible injector problems. I have three friends with Ford 6.0's and they've had nothing but problems. Dodge diesels are powerful and the engines are good, but it seems like the rest of the truck isn't built to hold up to the power of the engine. We've had several Dodges and in every single one we had to replace the front end and in two of them we had to replace the transmission and transfer case - twice.

My brother-in-law has a 2007 GMC Duramax and loves it. However within your price range of 10-15K if you do decide to go diesel then you'll have to get one that is older with alot of miles. HOWEVER you can safely go high mileage and it not really be a problem. Whereas 150,000 miles would be really high mileage for a gas motor, that's really just when a diesel is getting good and broken in. Personally I would look for one that doesn't have a gooseneck ball or a fifth wheel hitch already installed. It might seem like a good idea and a plus for those things to already be installed, but it also shows that it has already been used for pulling. If you do have to get one with high mileage, look for one that is an everyday driver - not one that's been actually USED.
     
    10-09-2011, 10:43 AM
  #16
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by blue eyed pony    
almost hit an emu


Sorry blue eyed pony, but this statement about made me spit my Cheerios on the computer screen. I love how you nonchalantly say "meh almost hit an emu". Here in Arkansas the only time we see emus is if one has escaped from somebody's farm - and that's not very often!
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    10-09-2011, 11:17 AM
  #17
Green Broke
I know everyone tell you that you can pull with this rig or that rig, and really, you can. I've done it.

We pull a tag a long sundowner 2 horse that weighs 4000 lbs empty.

Last month, I bought my wife a 1999 F-350 crew cab dually auto with 4 wheel drive and 7.3 liter powerstroke diesel.

Let me tell you, this thing is a cowboy Cadillac.

I'm really glad my wife pulled with a lesser truck, as she really appreciates how this truck handles with the trailer behind it.

No more white knuckles.

If you look around, you can get a pretty nice one for around $12,000 give or take a few thousand, depending.

If you're going to pull very much, I'd recommend getting as much truck as you can....a one ton has bigger everything, and that makes for a very comfortable and safer tow.
     
    10-09-2011, 12:00 PM
  #18
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by catsandhorses    
Darrin, I might have to take you shopping with me! Just kidding

Thank you to everyone who responded. This information is truly invaluable.


Regards 4x4...do I NEED it or is 2WD sufficient?
4x4 is a bit more expensive then a two wheel drive to buy and operate if you are taking into account how much you have to spend. If you need one or not depends on your personal situation. Essentially, if you never leave pavement or gravel then you don't need it. If you regularly get into slick situations like pulling into a pasture during the winter, taking the horses to some really off of the beaten path trails, run into a lot of snow/ice, etc then a 4x4 still isn't needed but does make your life a whole lot easier. A good set of chains will often get you just as far in two wheel drive but nobody wants to have to put chains on.

As for towing, not a darn bit of difference between a two and four wheel drive.
     
    10-09-2011, 12:05 PM
  #19
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe4d    
Thats false, F150's have different brakes for different models, some are the same or better than some F250 brakes. You can't make blanket statements of what a F150 or 250 can do or can't do, both come equiped differently.
That's like saying a blue truck has better brakes than a red truck.
Besides horse trailers have brakes on the trailer axels, that's what stops your trailer, and it is vehicle weight that stops it as a backup. The weight difference between a properly equipped F150 and a base 250 is negligible.

There is alot of overlap in capabilities, My 2004 F150 had a light duty, 3:31 axel, smaller brakes, 16" wheels, and a dinky 4.6 engine that was only rated for about 3500 lbs if I remeber, with a small horse trailer it couldnt get out of it's own way. But it got 22mpg interstate,,,

My current truck is a 2007 F150 with a 5..4 High output, FX4, Max tow package,huge brakes, will run circles around the 250 gas trucks, heavy suspension, and rated at 9800lbs towing. Will pull a 3600lb sundowner gooseneck with no issues, stops fine, plenty of weight.
But I get 18 highway empty and 14 towing.

My point is I wouldnt listen to anyone that makes blanket statements about 150, 250 ,350, look at the manufacturers tow guide rating of the exact model and features of the specific trucks you are comparing.
Yep, all things being equal between the two with same gearing, same engine, same year, etc your F150 will outrun that F250. It's simple physics, your F150 will weigh less then the F250 because the F250 will be built beefier all the way around. They are not the same rig with different badges and that's my point.
     
    10-10-2011, 08:32 AM
  #20
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by caleybooth    


Sorry blue eyed pony, but this statement about made me spit my Cheerios on the computer screen. I love how you nonchalantly say "meh almost hit an emu". Here in Arkansas the only time we see emus is if one has escaped from somebody's farm - and that's not very often!

Lol I live in Australia. They are REALLY common here, almost to the point of being a pest. Nearly hit a kangaroo on the same day too... yeah, we almost took out the Aussie coat of arms in one day. /fail
     

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