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    11-22-2012, 07:03 AM
  #51
Foal
Reading back through some of these posts again I think I should emphasise that Parelli is largely a people training program in levels 1 to 3 at least. He, and James, emphasises that. They are not encouraging of anyone doing colt starting until they have reached at least level 3, but preferably higher. These shows the extent to which they think it is a people program. If it were a horse program then it would be possible to start young horses earlier on in the program.
They are strong believers of "Horses teach humans and humans teach horses" in that order (principle number 7) . The idea is to find a well schooled horse to learn with that will teach you what a well trained horse should look and feel like, then use that knowledge to train a horse.
I think it is possible (and I made this mistake ) that many folks dive into Parelli without going through the horses teach humans stage and try to use it to train a young horse from day 1. Fortunately I had good instructors to guide and help me, but left to my own devices I can see how it could go horribly wrong.
     
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    11-24-2012, 03:04 AM
  #52
Yearling
Im probably jumping ahead and I will go back and read more but can someone explain the horsenalities aspect and maybe the different personalities themselves? I understand the 7 games but am curious about horsenalities. Thanks
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    11-24-2012, 04:52 AM
  #53
Foal
Shall we start a new thread for horsenalities ? It's a largish subject and probably worthy of its' own place for discussion. It'll make searching for folks interested in the future easier as well.
     
    11-24-2012, 08:36 AM
  #54
Yearling
Well, I've never considered myself to be a Parelli person, (though I honestly AM rethinking some of ny original biases after reading this thread believe it or not), for reasons having nothing to do with his methods of passing along his self-admitted regurgitation-- "with his personal spin"-- of these original techniques--In fact, I'm quite a huge fan of his and Buck Brannaman's predecessors and their tremendous techniques/contribution to horse/PEOPLE training in general!

My only issue is having no horse of my own to utilize the program with (nor a "borrowed!/leased horse to practice with!).

Once I AM a bonafide horse-mom, hopefully someday very soon, I'm quite sure Parelli and Buck/Torrance/Hunt will ALL PLAY A LARGE PART in starting out our mutual relationship correctly (as I see "correct", anyhow)!

Thus, I am 100% FOR starting a HORSENALITIES THREAD/STICKY (possibly a sticky with much of what Pegasus1 has already shared about Parelli, PLUS the horsenality section for those who wish to better understand that aspect of Parelli)...I think Pegasus1 should be the initiator of such a thread...it'd be GREAT! :0)
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    11-24-2012, 09:07 AM
  #55
Foal
New thread started. Will enlarge it when I have time
     
    12-01-2012, 03:37 PM
  #56
Weanling
I'd like to add to the topic of using the 7 games as a diagnostic tool.
I worked for a very talented show horse trainer for 3 years, periodically her students would come saying "my horse won't....." or "my mare started doing.....at shows" and expect the trainer to "fix" their horse. I would watch as Cathy would work on the horse, she had decades of experience, and absolutely no background in NH, but what she did with her riding, a Parelli student would call "testing the 7 games".

First she would be sure the horse was not in any pain, was confident, and not fearful. In Parelli speak, "winning the friendly game"

Then she would be sure that the horse was responding properly to rein and leg cues, which is the same as checking how well your horse "plays the porcupine and driving games".

Next she would see how well the horse would "rate itself" being sure it was maintaining gait, straightness, and direction, with equally light cues and without "babysitting". Which are aspects of yo-yo and circling game.

She worked "sideways game" right away if the horse was having problems with lead changes, diagonals, or any lateral movements. Problems with "the sideways game" usually also involved a "porcupine game" problem too, meaning the horse was not responding to leg cues for some reason.

She usually only worked on "squeeze game" if the horse was having problems over jumps, or obstacles in trail work, testing to see if the horse was becoming impulsive or fearful around jumps and arena decor.

After a lesson or two, the horse would be performing wonderfully and her students would say she was a genius, because even though they had ridden with her for years, they didn't know the how or why of what she was doing. My Parelli background helped me to realize she had a mental check list of things the horse needed to do well in order for each task to be performed properly, and she could find any disfunction in communication quickly and remedy it.

The 7 games provides that checklist to help diagnose and correct problems at the root cause. The "games" format makes it easy for anyone to learn, what it would take decades of experience to learn otherwise. It's been said before, but the only thing "new" about 7 games is the way they are labeled and presented. Some think it is a mistake to make anyone think they can train their own horse, but I disagree, I thought I could train my own horse long before I'd ever heard of Parelli. Because or being a Parelli student, now I have a formula that is simple enough that even I can follow it and really can train my own horse. I can also watch other people train with the eyes of understanding, because I have had it broken down into layman's terms for me, with the 7 games.
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    12-03-2012, 06:13 AM
  #57
Foal
The seven games are in the stated order for a reason as Fargosgirl states. And as she points out the idea is that if one game is going badly look back at the previous games and see if one needs fixing. Currently I am doing that with Filly. I am having trouble getting her off my inside leg when ridden, so each prepare to ride session involves hind quarter porcupine game on the ground. This is really paying dividends to the extent that I can now confidently drop the reins on her neck and ride patterns with her. Not neat ones, but recognisable. That is 6 weeks after her first ride.
     
    12-03-2012, 11:26 AM
  #58
Trained
From an outsider's viewpoint:

Games? Most folks call it working with their horse. Work implies the results are serious. Games implies it is just a game. I don't want to play with my horse. I want to RIDE my horse, and when we ride I want to be the one making decisions - because most of my horses would prefer to stand around, eat hay and hang out together.

9 steps to backup? Maybe. All I know is that I settle back, give a light tug on both reins with my pinkie, and we go back. On the ground, I slap their chest lightly and they go back.

Personalities: I understand terms like dominant, fearful, sensitive, and I understand how a fearful horse might be dominant as well. Left brain Introvert means nothing unless I first study Parelli. The lady who trained my horses uses terms like confident, fearful, etc and then discusses why she thinks the horse is XYZ and how that affects the training and my future interaction.

Cues: I understand tapping the horse with the stirrup and seeing if the horse responds. Or doing a bit cue, and seeing if the horse responds. I fail to see how "the porcupine and driving games" clarifies the situation for anyone, other than someone immersed in Parelli.

Checking for diagonals makes sense to anyone who knows what a diagonal is. Calling it a cross between "the sideways game" & the "porcupine game" clarifies nothing - except to a Parelli fan.

I can see how this helps Parelli lock people into his program, since they invest the time & money to learn his terminology, and then can't speak with folks who aren't Parelli trained (at least, not without a translator). I don't see how it helps advance the cause of horses or training in general.

If we all use standard terms, we can communicate. If we invent a new terminology, and charge folks to learn it before they can talk with us, we are 'branding' our ideas...or in this case, branding well-known ideas and marketing them as unique.

"So each prepare to ride session involves hind quarter porcupine game on the ground" vs "Practice moving the rump before mounting" - which is clearer?
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    12-03-2012, 02:01 PM
  #59
Foal
2Practice moving the rump before mounting". Did you use rhythmic pressure to achieve this or steady pressure ? Did you just ask the rump to move over or was it essential that the hind legs crossed over. It's a yield, so was it done with softness or with attitude?
I know Parelli speak can be irritating to those who have not studied it, but, for me, it is more concise and precise.
I think most Parelli folks can easily translate Parelli speak into general language, but then this is a topic on the Parelli seven games where all the language you object to has been defined higher up the thread. If I was writing on another thread I would either refrain from using Parelli language, or explain it as I go along. And it would appear that you managed to translate it ok.
Games ? Yes games. The problem with working with the horse is not the result but, for some, the mindset. I have seen many folks go out to work with their horse and get really direct line in their thinking.
Today I was working on those hind quarter yields again using porcupine pressure and because I tackled it with a playful, childlike, attitude I suddenly imagined a different way of getting the point over to Filly and switched tactics. It didn't cure the problem, but we made progress in the right direction where before we were stuck.
I don't think it matters whether you go and work with your horse or play with it so long as you have fun. Personally I have horses as a very satisfying and enjoyable hobby and I am proud to say that I play with my horse and hope she has fun to.
I do like one of Pats' sayings, a bit corny though it is. "If you horse can be entertainment for you, can you be entertainment for your horse ?". I actually try to keep that in mind as I play with my horse, it stops me taking my hobby too seriously :)
     
    12-03-2012, 02:16 PM
  #60
Foal
I already posted this to the Liberty video thread, but it seems to me that this video really shows a man playing with his horse. It is also one of my favourite videos of all time, even if this is a grainy version

     

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