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    12-08-2012, 09:39 AM
No matter what we do, when it's play, there are no time lines ie street hockey vs professional hockey. The players are relaxed and in good spirit. Too many people unconsciously have time lines which then leads to a lack of patience which results in stress. Stress results in a short fuse. This is not the way to be around horses and that is why it is so important to develop a play mood. With this comes forgiveness of mistakes.
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    12-09-2012, 04:02 PM
Saddlebag, that is the best description of why the attitude of "play" rather than "work" is such a good state of mind to be in.

Because Filly was badly started in a bit without having her teeth checked first (she needed 2 wolf teeth and 5 baby teeth removed when I got her !) she now throws her head around all over the place when we trot. There is not an ounce of resistance anywhere else in her body.

James, and recently Sean, said make a game out of it. If you want to throw your head around, what a good idea. Let me help you, I'll throw my arms around as well. No contact on the head if I can help it, just exuberant arms. After a short while Filly kind of goes "but no ones fighting my head, that's no fun. I think I'll stop" and so we get a few strides of head down relaxed trotting with lots of rubbing. This isn't going to fix the problem overnight, but then she was being ridden in a bit with bad teeth and head tied down for 6 months so that is no surprise. It has become learned behaviour for her and I now have to de-program it.

It is the feeling of making it a game that makes this work for me. A game I am going to exaggerate to the point Filly doesn't want to play it either.

Maybe others would call this work but to me even this behaviour, if tackled with an attitude of fun, can actually be enjoyable to work through. That enjoyment and sense of fun then helps keep my frustrations under control and for me is a path to better results.
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    12-09-2012, 04:06 PM
I like them because I have seen what they can do. There is a parellier at my barn and I never seen anything like what they can do. So I do them but I am not a strict parellier I like to mix methods from alot of people.
    12-10-2012, 12:40 AM
Without going into TOO much detail (HOPEFULLY) I will simply say that, in working at getting Fancy, one of the two horses I ride weekly, to pick up the canter today, I realized after my trainer pointed it out that I was getting frustrated and uptight, being overly self-critical and this was translating to Fancy.
We were at the tail end of a nearly 90" ride wherein we both had accomplished a lot and had some very excellent walk/canter transitions in both directions, some very freeing no stirrup work, & learned a lot this day.
However, I was trying at the end of the lesson to further refine my cueing ability, but was tired and thus kept getting "super-speedy-über-fast trot", rather than correct canter from walk transition. And 3 times had to return down to walk and retry.
Finally I was told by Holly-- "sit back, cue clearly & ONLY HOLD ONE THOUGHT IN YOUR HEAD...'We are going to canter a few nice laps around the arena...free-ourselves from the strict rigors of the lesson, and enjoy a fun run to end the lesson with'. Now GO-Left lead, CANTER!" And we DID! And it WAS FUN. & relaxed & peaceful and we both felt good (Fancy & I!)...we were both laughing (my trainer and myself) and had a GREAT ENDING to a challenging but very buildings lesson, simply because we chose to "play", rather than WORK.
It can be a great approach and highly stress reducing--for ME, horse "work" should not be STRESSFUL. I don't show, and ride as both an athletic endeavor and to become better at horse/human communication and to relax both myself and one day hopefully a future horse I own will benefit from what I'm learning now. That is the whole of it! PLAY IS HIGHLY, HIGHLY BENEFICIAL, regardless if whether the name "Parelli" is attached to it or not. ;0)
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    12-10-2012, 05:23 AM
Originally Posted by EquestrianCowgirl4    
I like them because I have seen what they can do. There is a parellier at my barn and I never seen anything like what they can do. So I do them but I am not a strict parellier I like to mix methods from alot of people.
I do consider myself to be a follower of Parelli. Think of the analogy of a tree. Parelli is the roots and trunk BUT the branches, leaves and flowers are provided by both Parelli and many others. On my shelf I have books by Gwani, Mark Rashid, Dr Robert Miller, Chris Cox, Karen Rolf (admittedly she is heavily Parelli oriented), Paul McGreevy and Andrew Mclean plus many others. I also have videos from at least 5 other clinicians, though I am top heavy in the Parelli department there, mainly because they have produced so many !

At present when I look for an instructor I mainly go to a Parelli professional, but as time goes by I will look to specialists in the fields I wish to specialise in. Dave Stewart for colt starting and David Deptford for western riding spring to mind.

Having, basically, learned the Parelli program since I have come back to horses I do mainly "speak" Parelli, but I have little trouble translating others ideas into Parelli speak and actions.

As I have repeatedly said on this forum even Pat says that his program is not all you need to know to be a horseman. He advocates getting help from instructors outside the program.

Personally I am not happy about the "Game of Contact" that Linda is promoting for riding with a contact, and I know many others in the program who think likewise. The truth is that when you see Pat advocating something you can be sure it has been tried on at least hundreds and probably thousands of horses. It is therefore probably pretty sound advice. Some of Lindas' instruction has not been tested this robustly and as a result I take ideas developed with a healthy scepticism.

I don't dismiss Lindas' instruction but I do look for other evidence that her ideas are useful. Where she has analysed and written down knowledge she has gained by interrogating Pat then I do take that seriously, but that is actually just Pat translated so I can understand it. Horsenality is a prime example of this. Pat knew this stuff, but didn't know how to put it into words and explain it. Linda managed to tease this information from his mind, so that others could start to get an insight as to how he reads a horse. It's certainly not the whole story but it at least gives folks like me starting out the alphabet of the concept. As we build in experience we can take that alphabet and build it into words and sentences of understanding.

Some dismiss Linda and Pat because they feel that they don't ride very well. That may be true as I don't know enough about good riding position to comment. However the Parelli program is not about correct riding position, its about horsemanship which is the other 90% of being a good horseman. Even the video they have produced on it involves bringing in an instructor from outside the program to help present the video.

If want information of riding position I go to a BHS instructor. In fact I spent some time on a mechanical horse for just this purpose. Useful but not like the real thing. For advanced information I would probably look to the likes of Karl Hester whom James (my Parelli instructor) thinks very very highly of.

Parelli is not, and never will be, a comprehensive riding program. What it is good at is putting a foundation on new horsemen from which they can move forwards into the specialisation they wish to follow.
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    12-26-2012, 12:09 PM
I like the seven games. They do help me work better with my horse, and we have been having a better relationship. However, I do find Buck Brannaman and Ken McNabb pretty interesting too. We have videos for both of them, and I am hoping to go to one of their clinics this summer as well.
    12-27-2012, 01:00 PM
I play the 7 games with my mare and I've found that she is more responsive and relaxed. She is also alot happier. And its pretty awesome to see my normallly high strung mare act so laid back and relaxed.
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    12-31-2012, 12:55 PM
I like the 7 games myself. My trainer started Parelli when he first begain to train horses before he got big and famous. She uses many other methods incorporated when she trains but uses the 7 games a good foundational base to learn and grow.

I am currently working through the level 1 parelli stuf and find it very useful for gaining greater understanding of my horse and using the principles as a good way to learn better communication with my horse.
    12-31-2012, 01:08 PM
I only like what he teaches. I like Buck Brannaman better.
    12-31-2012, 01:17 PM
Originally Posted by amberly    
I only like what he teaches. I like Buck Brannaman better.
As in Buck is better looking or what . Being a bloke I can't compare those qualities of male horsemen very well

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