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        06-24-2013, 01:34 PM
      #21
    Foal
    The human race is over populated. So are dogs, cats, and most domestic animals. Do we go around sending people to the slaughter?

    And the fact that someone would be PROUD to be pro-slaughter is saddening. "Realistic" is a great virtue. And I'm realisitic myself. It's REALISTIC that she take responsibility for her choices. It's REALISTIC that she chose to buy a horse, and must now live with her actions.

    If the horse has only done this once, and is perfectly well mannered on the ground, than I simply don't see where the need for euthenizing comes in. Would you kill a horse for being a biter, but a prize winner in the show ring?
         
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        06-24-2013, 01:42 PM
      #22
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by thatkrayz    
    Would you kill a horse for being a biter, but a prize winner in the show ring?
    Comparing biting to rearing? Not really comparable but if you want to go down that route...

    We had a horse at a barn I was at years ago who was a biter. We were just careful about how we handled her. Until one day she picked a little kid up by its head. That horse found itself in the kill pen the next day.

    Horse was a gem to ride but you couldn't put her in a box stall because she would spin around and kick you. You couldn't put her in a straight stall because she kicked. We were willing to work with that though so we built a straight stall that she could be backed into and it had a door on the front. This worked great for the longest time until she started biting. When she picked a little kid up by her head though that was the end of it.

    Millions of horses need homes right now. Why not give one of those horses a chance?

    By law if your dog attacks someone it has to be PTS. Should the same not be true for a horse?
         
        06-24-2013, 01:52 PM
      #23
    Foal
    A horse rearing, usually out of pain or fear, is not the same as a dog attacking someone. Horses are not preditory animals. It's lovely that you went through those extremes to help that horse. And, I agree, after literally picking a child up by the head, then that may have been the best option. But, you clearly stated that the horse also had other bad habits.

    In this case, the horse has reared and fallen once. It doesn't seem from the OP that any means are being taken to try and re-train the horse of this flaw. Or that it has even been considered. Only after truely trying to save a horse should the option of putting him to sleep be brought up.

    Simply killing an animal because it is the easy thing to do, is disgusting.
         
        06-24-2013, 02:04 PM
      #24
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by thatkrayz    
    A horse rearing, usually out of pain or fear, is not the same as a dog attacking someone. Horses are not preditory animals. It's lovely that you went through those extremes to help that horse. And, I agree, after literally picking a child up by the head, then that may have been the best option. But, you clearly stated that the horse also had other bad habits.

    In this case, the horse has reared and fallen once. It doesn't seem from the OP that any means are being taken to try and re-train the horse of this flaw. Or that it has even been considered. Only after truely trying to save a horse should the option of putting him to sleep be brought up.

    Simply killing an animal because it is the easy thing to do, is disgusting.
    This horse of the OP's description is not in pain or fear.

    I can tell right now you have never been flipped over on, have you?
    Why don't you offer to go work with the horse then?
         
        06-24-2013, 02:05 PM
      #25
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    The horse is a PSG horse but never went into the show ring. I highly doubt this was a one time thing. Obviously there is far more to the story that we don't know. If a horse is trained to PSG and hasn't made it to the shower ring there is a reason.
         
        06-24-2013, 02:10 PM
      #26
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by KennyRogersPaints    
    I'm not judging her decisions as harshly as you may think, knowing the person and knowing the horse, I just think it really isn't fair to the animal... This horse is hot, his previous owners were feeding him TWENTY FOUR quarts of grain a day, can't blame him for being a bit upiddy... looking out for the animals quality of life.
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    THIS is the type of thinking that I just have to laugh over. You do not KNOW the #'s of much safer horses out there that need homes. UNfortunately, it is ridiculous to believe that a horse that flips is worth any money spent on fixing this dangerous habit.
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    Originally Posted by KennyRogersPaints    
    This horse is hot, his previous owners were feeding him TWENTY FOUR quarts of grain a day, can't blame him for being a bit uppitty... looking out for the animals quality of life.
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    Lots of well mannered and hot horses do NOT rear and flip on their owners. My Arabian horse, "Corporal" (1982-2009, RIP) was bored at our last National CW Reenactment (2008) bc our commander gave us NOTHING to do. He jigged for a full hour, trying to burn off steam and THIS is what a well mannered and/or over-grained horse will do. No rearing, no flipping, no bolting.
    Congress is trying as we write to outlaw all US horse slaughter, which will make for even MORE homeless horses.
    I am sorry to tell you that you that horses are property. You wouldn't buy a house that was structurally unsound just bc it's pretty, and you shouldn't value dangerous horses, either.
    But, there is still the freedom in this country to value dangerous animals. I wouldn't touch this horse with a 10 foot pole. I am too old and I would break if he flipped on me. Bleed your heart more, if you wish.
         
        06-24-2013, 02:14 PM
      #27
    Foal
    The OP clearly stated that this horse could be manageable with an experienced rider. I don't know where you're getting the solid infomation this this horse is niether scared nor in pain.

    "I do agree my BO should not ride him, let me make that clear, but there are plenty of people who could handle this horse and have him be 100% manageable."

    SorrelHorse, no, I have never been flippped over on. I never put a horse in enough fear or pain to cause a situation like that. I know what proper measures to take when a horse DOES rear to keep them from collapsing on themselves. Many horses flip because a rider pulls back while the horse is only on two legs, looses balance, or both. I coulnd't image a horse that willingly plans on flipping itself over, putting himself in danger as well.

    I'm mature enough to admit that when my horse does occasionally have her rearing fits, that it's most likely my fault.
         
        06-24-2013, 02:15 PM
      #28
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    Originally Posted by thatkrayz    
    It's lovely that you went through those extremes to help that horse. And, I agree, after literally picking a child up by the head, then that may have been the best option. But, you clearly stated that the horse also had other bad habits..
    This horse had other habits yes, but these habits escalated over time. It started as kicking in a box stall, and snow balled over time. If a horse starts with one dangerous habit for no reason(seriously this mare had NO reason to be this much of a cow) it will just snow ball and get worse and worse.

    The horse the OP is talking about already has one very deadly habit that pain and training has been ruled out to be the cause of. I can only imagine how much worse it can get over time.
         
        06-24-2013, 02:17 PM
      #29
    Foal
    I don't "value" dangrous horses. And no, I would not buy an unsound horse just because of how it looks. But, I'm not the one with a horse flipping over. Perhaps, that sentiment should have been shared with the owner of this horse.
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        06-24-2013, 02:18 PM
      #30
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    Originally Posted by thatkrayz    
    The OP clearly stated that this horse could be manageable with an experienced rider. I don't know where you're getting the solid infomation this this horse is niether scared nor in pain.

    "I do agree my BO should not ride him, let me make that clear, but there are plenty of people who could handle this horse and have him be 100% manageable."

    SorrelHorse, no, I have never been flippped over on. I never put a horse in enough fear or pain to cause a situation like that. I know what proper measures to take when a horse DOES rear to keep them from collapsing on themselves. Many horses flip because a rider pulls back while the horse is only on two legs, looses balance, or both. I coulnd't image a horse that willingly plans on flipping itself over, putting himself in danger as well.

    I'm mature enough to admit that when my horse does occasionally have her rearing fits, that it's most likely my fault.
    This is what the OP believes. How do we know if this is fact? I would never knowingly unload a horse that goes over backwards on anyone. Because like I already mentioned. How do we know the person who takes the horse with the disclosure will not hand it off to someone else without the disclosure?

    What if this horse gets sold to a kid in the future without knowing that its a rearer?
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