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        06-24-2013, 01:20 PM
      #31
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by thatkrayz    
    The OP clearly stated that this horse could be manageable with an experienced rider. I don't know where you're getting the solid infomation this this horse is niether scared nor in pain.

    "I do agree my BO should not ride him, let me make that clear, but there are plenty of people who could handle this horse and have him be 100% manageable."

    SorrelHorse, no, I have never been flippped over on. I never put a horse in enough fear or pain to cause a situation like that. I know what proper measures to take when a horse DOES rear to keep them from collapsing on themselves. Many horses flip because a rider pulls back while the horse is only on two legs, looses balance, or both. I coulnd't image a horse that willingly plans on flipping itself over, putting himself in danger as well.

    I'm mature enough to admit that when my horse does occasionally have her rearing fits, that it's most likely my fault.
    Get flipped over on and then come back and talk to me about it.

    I've had horses flip on me, by no fault of mine. I've seen horses flip by no fault of others. I had a rearer come to me to get broken of the habit, and while I was holding onto his mane thinking "I'm going to die today" he flipped over. Thankfully, I jumped off and rolled out of the way. Otherwise, I truly think I would not be alive to tell you about it. We fixed the problem later.

    I am not saying that this horse could not be fixed. However the arrogance of saying she should keep a horse she deems to be dangerous is incredulous to me. Many people buy horses, then get them home and realize they are not something they could get along with.

    Maybe we don't know if it's pain or fear. Neither do you.

    If we are are not in a position to say the horse should be put down, you are in no position to say the horse should NOT be put down.
         
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        06-24-2013, 01:24 PM
      #32
    Yearling
    OP, why don't you make her an offer to buy him then?
    If you think this horse is so worth saving, save him yourself.

    This very much reminds me of the anti slaughter people with plan for where all the unwanted horses will go. Not their backyards!
    This horse is unwanted, so what is he supposed to do? Stand in a stall or paddock unused and keep racking up bills?
    Once a horse flips over on a rider, they will do it again. Horses don't just rear out of pain or fear, I don't know where you got that idea. Once they learn that they can get out of work, they'll rear and flip. Once a horse goes to that place where it disregards its own safety, it loses any and all value. I currently own my heart horse, and if he flipped on me, I would have the vet out that same day. No ones life should be ended because of an animal.
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        06-24-2013, 01:25 PM
      #33
    Foal
    I have no plans of ever having a horse flip over on me, thanks though. Perhaps, with so many horses rearing and fliping over with you, you should consider that there is only one consistant element. You.

    I'm not saying that she should have to keep the horse. By all means, sell it. If a parent is silly enough to buy this horse later on down the road without proper information, or seeing it ridden, then that's a shame.

    Before putting this horse down, it should be ruled out that the problem cannot be fixed. That's all I'm stating. A rash decision to put an animal down should never be made. If this habbit continues, then yes, I agree that it is a danger. But, a one time rear is not reason enough, to me, to condemn an animal to death.
         
        06-24-2013, 01:31 PM
      #34
    Foal
    The complete disregard for the lives of the animals you claim to "love" in this thread disgusts me. And the fact that NO ONE here is willing to admitt that a lot of major horse flaws derive from the flaws of their owners is ridiculous. Horses are trained by PEOPLE, it is us who make them, or break them.

    Perhaps some people should take a look in the mirror and realize that their animals are only a reflection of themselves. I never seen a horse flip, rear, or even buck without a reason to do so. No matter how small or silly it may seem to the human eye. Whether is be pain, fear, extra energy, barn sour, buddy sour, or a mare in heat. There is always a reason for a horse to misbehave.
         
        06-24-2013, 01:31 PM
      #35
    Yearling
    I've never had a horse rear and flip on me. Never a full rear either. I wouldn't let it get to that point. A half rear in protest, and I'm on the ground having that horse flying backwards 50 feet.

    I'd also suggest having a deeper look into this forum, and seeing that while this is a community of horse owners an lovers, we all have limits. None of us are going to throw our lives away to try to give a dangerous animal a second chance. A bucker, sure. A biter, no problem. Incredibly foundered only pasture pet? Sure, it can stay at my place and rack up the bills. A flipper? No.
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        06-24-2013, 01:34 PM
      #36
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by thatkrayz    
    I have no plans of ever having a horse flip over on me, thanks though. Perhaps, with so many horses rearing and fliping over with you, you should consider that there is only one consistant element. You.

    I'm not saying that she should have to keep the horse. By all means, sell it. If a parent is silly enough to buy this horse later on down the road without proper information, or seeing it ridden, then that's a shame.

    Before putting this horse down, it should be ruled out that the problem cannot be fixed. That's all I'm stating. A rash decision to put an animal down should never be made. If this habbit continues, then yes, I agree that it is a danger. But, a one time rear is not reason enough, to me, to condemn an animal to death.
    Quite arrogant since I told you I fixed the problem. Also quite arrogant to say "so many horses" that have flipped on me. How do you know how many have flipped on me? I'm the one who takes the horses after they learn to throw themselves on the ground. I don't think you can truly understand how terrifying that is until you ride it, or how brave you have to be. I'm not bragging because I'm no big name trainer - But I don't tolerate that, and I don't expect anyone else to. If you can't fix it, get rid of it, before you get killed. You don't always plan to get flipped on, it just happens and sometimes it is nobody's fault.

    A parent being silly enough to buy it...So sell it to the ignorant, and pray they don't get their kid killed? Great philosophy, not all sellers are honest, and not all buyers are born with the decades of experience it takes to recognize the signs.

    There are too many factors, and I'm simply saying that you have no right to tell the owner she is making the incorrect decision when you know nothing about the horse. I've said what I would do, and I've said I understand if the owner feels that this is the best option.

    Like I said, how about you volunteer to go save the horse? How about you find homes for all the non-dangerous horses too? I have an unstarted mare who was left unhandled for her entire eleven years. If you can find any market value for her, I'll be really impressed. You can't always play the self righteous. You can't always find the solution. You can't make everything black and white with horses. You can't make a decision based on a thread on a forum.
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        06-24-2013, 01:43 PM
      #37
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by thatkrayz    
    The complete disregard for the lives of the animals you claim to "love" in this thread disgusts me. And the fact that NO ONE here is willing to admitt that a lot of major horse flaws derive from the flaws of their owners is ridiculous. Horses are trained by PEOPLE, it is us who make them, or break them.

    Perhaps some people should take a look in the mirror and realize that their animals are only a reflection of themselves. I never seen a horse flip, rear, or even buck without a reason to do so. No matter how small or silly it may seem to the human eye. Whether is be pain, fear, extra energy, barn sour, buddy sour, or a mare in heat. There is always a reason for a horse to misbehave.
    Of course humans train things. But not every human is capable of dealing with it.

    All my personal horses are angels because I instruct kids. I would shoot the horse myself before I let them hurt a kid when it could have been prevented. I expect them to step up and perform for me with high intensity and then slow down for a kid. In return, I feed, water, groom, provide for their medical needs, etc.

    Let's see...Reasons for the horse to misbehave that you listed:

    Pain
    Fear
    Energy
    Sourness
    Heat

    The ONLY acceptable reason in this situation is pain. My mare gets pissy when she's in heat, but I'll be ****ed if my whole world is going to stop to accomadate her. If she had ovarian cysts however, or was suffering from poor saddle fit, I would understand. I don't let a horse with energy misbehave either, because then they just learn whenever they want to "play" they can play and ol' stupid human will just let them. Fear on a green horse is one thing, but if you start a colt right you will NOT have a fear problem. They'll check with you before they panic. I've never had a horse spook that I've started myself.

    Where did we ever say horses behavior wasn't a reflection of humans?
    And where did you figure horses I got in for training were a reflection of ME, and not their owners?
         
        06-24-2013, 01:50 PM
      #38
    Foal
    I'm not saying that you should tolerate bad behavior. I'm just stating that their is always a reason for it. It's not just "random" or "for no reason" like some have stated.

    You've made YOUR decision based on a thread in a forum. I'm not going to volunteer to buy anyone's horse. I know I can't afford, nor want, more than the one I have now. I'm a realistic horse owner.

    "A parent being silly enough to buy it...So sell it to the ignorant, and pray they don't get their kid killed? Great philosophy, not all sellers are honest, and not all buyers are born with the decades of experience it takes to recognize the signs."

    A little hypocritcal to condem my "philosphy" when you suggested that I go get a horse to flip over on me. I also stated that it would be a "shame" and in no way wish it on anyone.

    My original point was that no horse should be condmed for a trait that other's could easily fix. The OP himself stated that this horse could be perfectly fine in the hands of another owner, and that multiple people who actually KNOW the horse are questioning her decision.

    Kill all the horses you want, have a blast with it.
         
        06-24-2013, 01:59 PM
      #39
    Yearling
    Yep. I'll just go load up my shotgun and pick off a few. Hays getting expensive anyways.

    Maybe you should read a thread where we all mourn with the poster when a horse passes, be it put down or illness or a tragic accident. None of us would be gung-ho to put a horse down, it'd be heartbreaking and I'm sure tears would be shed no matter what the circumstances. We are, after all, horse lovers here.
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        06-24-2013, 02:00 PM
      #40
    Foal
    Obviously.
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