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    11-13-2012, 09:13 AM
  #41
Foal
Clinton's halters are actually only $40. I think you may have been looking at an item combo. I use clinton's halters myself. I've tried a imitation Parelli/clinton training halter before and couldn't stand it. What make clinton's halters better is the stiff rope. It maintains its shape, and is less comfortable to lean on. And when I say stiff I mean stiff. The imitation ones flop all over. It wears in after a few uses, but they last a looong time and are great quality. Same thing with his leads. They're so soft easy on the hands, yet they are heavier and carry the energy of your hands through the whole rope. If you want something with softer rope, I'd look at stacy westfalls halters with the twisted noseband. They seem nice too. Just my opinion though, I guess. You do get what you pays for though.

Also, clinton has a sale on black friday. All of his rope products will be 25% off.
     
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    11-15-2012, 08:42 PM
  #42
Yearling
http://www.downunderhorsemanship.com...R%20AND%20LEAD

Yes, it is for the halter and Lead. Of course if you join his club you get a discount but its still pretty expensive for as I said. 3 dollars of rope, 30 mins of knot tying and a 12 ft section of good yahting rope for the lead. I actually have one and do like it. However it was a gift and I did not spend my own money on it.

I'm glad you like yours,that is great. However I would have a hard time sleeping charging that kind of money for what it is. I would also rather spend my money on a nice headstall or good looking bit . Just my opinion and others mileage may vary.
     
    11-15-2012, 10:01 PM
  #43
Yearling
Still kinda expensive though, I made one for a friend the other day, I had to buy the rope in 10m sections (you only need 6m for the halter) and it cost me $16 from the hardware store. If they had it on a roll I could have only bought 6 meters and it would have been cheaper.
     
    11-16-2012, 09:26 AM
  #44
Foal
I bought a rope halter from Chick's. It probably isn't the same type of rope CA uses but it seems to be fine. I got the instructions from AnrewPL to make my own which I'm going to try to do. It just irritates me that these horse gurus charge so much for their products and services. I don't have a problem with someone trying to make a living but come on charging 89.99 for a halter and lead (on sale for 64.99) for maybe 10 worth of rope is ridiculous. His little stick which looks like a small stock whip is 43.00 on sale. Makes trying to follow his training method hard for an average working person like me.
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    11-16-2012, 11:25 AM
  #45
Green Broke
I'd also take a look at Sunset Halters:

Rope Halters by Sunset Halters

You can add a wrapped noseband, or extra noseband knots, and they have a lot of different material to choose from. I went to a clinic last weekend and the trainer recommended CA halter look-a-likes. So I think I'll be ordering from this site pretty soon.
     
    11-16-2012, 11:53 AM
  #46
Yearling
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Originally Posted by luv2ride    
I bought a rope halter from Chick's. It probably isn't the same type of rope CA uses but it seems to be fine. I got the instructions from AnrewPL to make my own which I'm going to try to do. It just irritates me that these horse gurus charge so much for their products and services. I don't have a problem with someone trying to make a living but come on charging 89.99 for a halter and lead (on sale for 64.99) for maybe 10 worth of rope is ridiculous. His little stick which looks like a small stock whip is 43.00 on sale. Makes trying to follow his training method hard for an average working person like me.
I've made quite a few of those types of halters, you basically make a regular rope halter, but just measure more rope for the nose band, and tie 4 knots where they only have you tie two...
What I have done is tie the double knot, mark very close to where the rope comes out, then untie the knot and measure the distance between the two marks to get an idea of how much rope each knot uses....It's easy.....Once you learn how to tie the knots!
     
    11-16-2012, 12:16 PM
  #47
Yearling
I got a nice custom riding halter from Rope halter, horse training stick, natural horsemanship, horse tack, horse training aids they have so many options, and everything is hand made. I love my riding halter. I will be buying more from them, and they help you with whatever you need or don't understand.
I agree with you Luv2ride, it is very hard for me to follow anyone because I can't afford their products, let alone join their club. I try.... looney and her new halter2.jpg
Here is a pic of my custom halter, it has cross under pieces, full braided cheeks, and nose band with the extra knots, and made from stiff rope. I love it and she does really well with it.
     
    11-16-2012, 12:22 PM
  #48
Yearling
Just a note on halter and lead costs...

I don't post this to advertise my work (though I'd be happy to make you somethign if you'd like!), but to give everyone a realistic idea of how much it costs to produce a high-quality and hand-spliced tack.

I make rope and braided tack as a side business. I use high-quality rope, the same yaht braid as the CA and PP halters are made from (it's PNW Select and Samsung rope).

For one halter it costs me: $8.80 in rope, $0.50 in labels, and about 30 minutes in time, though I go back and retie any knots that aren't perfectly how I want them. I sell them for $23. Ones with custom braided nosebands go for $33.

For one 10-foot lead rope it costs me: $15.20 in rope (1/2in yaht braid is not cheap!) and $5 in hardware. It takes me about a half hour to correctly splice the rope, and again, I redo anything that isn't perfect. This is tricky with splicing because you have to start with a whole new rope section - therefore I have a small collection of all my too-short leadropes. I sell these for $37.50.

Plus, I use a $115 hot knife and $30 heat gun, and $50 splicing set. Then add in the price of getting the rope and other supplies to me. Luckily, as a business, I don't have to pay sales tax until I sell the item.
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    11-16-2012, 12:41 PM
  #49
Yearling
Just to clarify, CA uses Samsung rope, well-known in the equine industry and is very strong, but also very stiff.

PNW Select rope is by some of the main people that worked with Samsung, but split off to make more variety of rope, including colors (over 16!), and different stiffness. They have halter cord, which is comparable to Samsung's rope; Accessory cord, which is more flexible; and Stable braid, which is very soft and flexible and I highly recommend it for foals and other sensitive horses. All in all, though, same excellent quality and it's not cheap.

The crafsmanship is also very high because the rope is spliced, rather than clamped or made with other not-so-great methods. I make all my stuff by hand and splice my work, much like CA, maintaining the rope strength. I don't use those terrible metal clamps and just fold over the rope - it's actualy spliced right back into itself maintaining 90% of the rope's strength. I can make them like CA does, but I prefer not to loop the hardwear on because even that takes some strength out of the rope. These ropes do not break - not in the rope or the attachment. They also wear like iron and maintain their shape, flexiblity, color, and durability and do not fray. You'll have them for life.

Due to the cost of making high-quality tack, I'd say the brand-name prices are only a little high. My halter and lead set cost about $60 - so you're paying $10 for the brand name. I do my homework on other business selling comparable products, and the ones that use the same high-quality rope all charge about what I do.
     
    11-16-2012, 12:59 PM
  #50
Trained
I bought a cheap-y one at SLT last year for $10. The nylon is the same as used for cheap hay nets, and I still have 2 of those that are pushing 30yo. The rope is only about 12' long. I bought it to finish training my geldings, and it's doing a fine job. I have lunge lines, so I don't need it for simple lunging. Don't know if I'll have a use for it after this year, so I didn't want to buy expensive.
Here is what is available from SLT right now.
Basic Poly Rope Halter w/Lead - Statelinetack.com
Mustang Knotted Rope Training Halter - Statelinetack.com
My every day halters are Hamilton triple-ply nylon, with an adjustable chin--like this~
Hamilton Products Horse Halters
I even found one to fit my big guy bc he has a draft-size jowl. To tie up and groom I really prefer this style to a rope halter, any day.
When I was just out of HS, for a year before college, I worked in Chicago and I took a beginning modeling course. I had private lessons, and among other things the model taught me, she suggested that I should be fussy about where I spent my clothes money. She said, if you try it on and you KNOW that it looks great and feels great and you'll probably wear it out, then BUY the expensive one. If you try it on, and it's just okay, but it's new, then buy cheap bc it will sit in your closet when the style goes out. THAT's why I didn't want to spend $70 on this particular item. Doesn't mean I won't consider buying one of CA's saddles, if I try one and fall in love with it.
I love the idea of tying my own. Thanks for the downloads and other info. =D
     

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