Is it just me, or did Clinton Anderdon rip the "Carrot stick idea from Pat Perellie?.. It looks like a carrot stick that he painted blue, lol.. Who was using that "whip" Idea first?
Again the CS is nothing more then a lunge whipl. Although I do like the fact that the stick part is stiffer then a normal lunge whip. But past that there is very little differance and it works better in some areas and not as well in others.Clinton was a student of PNH, graduated Level 3, I've heard, before striking out on his own. So, he learned to use the cs under PNH.
That is not where Clinton worked when he first came over. He studied under several top reining trainers.
From what I've read online, Pat was inspired to come up with the fiberglass stick while riding a certain horse bridleless in a public demo. I have no reason to doubt this story.
Ya b/c he has little use of his body when it comes to cueing a horse. He uses the stick to get the horse to change direction.
Regarding his mentors: I'm sure that neither Dorrance brother innovated the stick, nor used any kind of stick as the usual modus operandi, as Pat does (in Bill's book, True Horsemanship Through Feel, there's one case where he suggests using a stick, but he says to just find one in the woods!) Leslie Desmond, Bill's protege who's carrying his torch, also doesn't use any kind of stick. Pat's other mentors, Ray Hunt & Troy Henry, I also believe didn't normally use any kind of stick. So, I've concluded from these facts that Pat is the cs innovator & those who use fiberglass sticks with removable strings are imitators. Which is fine with me, because I think the cs a really useful tool for many aspects of hms.
The difference between a whip & a cs: the cs is used in both a friendly manner (to stroke the horse, keeping handler at a safe distance if needed) & in a directing manner (contact with horse & "driving", not contacting his body).
The handler should always regard the cs as an extension of his arm, because that's really what it should be (not a whipping tool, which sends a different feel to the horse).
Hope that helps!
This is where I'm not filled in on the facts: have others, B.P. (before Pat, just a li'l joke) used their whips as an extension of the arm, with which to stroke the horse as well as enforce directions?...
As for who invented the Carrot Stick in particular, that would be PP, but it's really nothing more than his own take and some speshul name he slapped on something that has been used for millennia in the horse-handling arena.
Again, it's that we were discussing Clinton's history with the stick, relative to Pat's! How lousy or good Pat is at cueing, how much better Stacy is than Pat, the fact that you never heard that Clinton studied under PNH etc, obfuscate OP's simple question, which asked for the facts, not opinions.My point is that CA first come over he worked under top reining trainer then went back to AUS. Not sure I have ever seen any thing that states he ever worked under PP. You probably can find out online. You can even ask Clinton.
My point is that if you think that every trainer who uses a stick and string worked under PP you are wrong. Not to worry, I've not made that assumption.:wink: Why are you even pointing it out to me? Stacy has been using a stick and string for years and she has never worked under PP or done any of his programs. She is much better then he would ever hope to be.
Thanks for that; that's neat!... Use of the lunge whip or Rope to get a horse use to you touching his legs and feet have been going on again as long as there have been horses and ropes.