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    01-17-2013, 10:22 AM
  #121
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View from Europe, that stuff is just inbeleivable. And ABSOLUTELY USELESS.
If you think Pat Parelli is a poor rider because he doesn't use this, That will make him a far better rider than I thaugt in my mind!

NB : I looked at Andrea Fappani's website, and it seems he doesn't use it neither?
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    01-17-2013, 10:22 AM
  #122
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First I think you are confusing a spad bit with a high port bit or correction. They are not one in the same. These bits are not made to be used with contact. They are used as pre signel bits. Meaning that there should be no real contact but rather just moving the waight of the reins will give a signle to the horse along with seat and legs.

These bits are no more tourcher then a snaffle or a bitless bridle when used correctly. Bits are like guns. They do no damage to anything or anyone until the wrong hands pick them up. How a bit is used is more in the hands of the rider then the bit itself.

What PP is doing is just all wrong for what he is trying to do. Again look at the PP video I posted and then go back and look at the other 3 videos I posted and you will see the differance. Out side of Stacys video which she uses no tack. The other 2 are most likely riding these horses at very least with a correction bit.
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    01-17-2013, 10:26 AM
  #123
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
...I am curious as to what part "traumatized" you? Maybe I can help you understand.
I'm curious too. I don't advocate a spade bit for most people. You and I had some exchanges a while back that opened my eyes to ANY use of a spade bit, and I'm at least partially converted. I can easily see how a good rider with a trained horse can use a spade bit with no harm whatsoever to the horse.

Sidepull halters are supposed to be gentle, but I've removed a lot of hair from my mare's face when she went into a full-bore panic while using one. I've looked at some 'harsher' options than a simple snaffle for my horse, because if she gets wound up enough, she doesn't think about safety - hers or mine. I would love to someday have her trained to ride flawlessly in anything, but she's a fairly intense girl who thinks every ride should be an adventure.

No way I'd put a spade bit in her mouth. Neither she nor I have any business with one. But we certainly aren't at the pinnacle of horsemanship! Neither is Pat, and I wouldn't suggest a spade bit for his riding either. But that certainly doesn't make a spade bit cruel...
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    01-17-2013, 10:26 AM
  #124
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Originally Posted by Dame Nuit    


View from Europe, that stuff is just inbeleivable. And ABSOLUTELY USELESS.
If you think Pat Parelli is a poor rider because he doesn't use this, That will make him a far better rider than I thaugt in my mind!

NB : I looked at Andrea Fappani's website, and it seems he doesn't use it neither?

This bit is a traditional spad bit and is ment to be used in a fully finished bridle horse. This is NOT a training bit. This is a finished bit. Used as a pre sigle device.

You will not see these bit used in reining (NRHA) these bit are more a reined cow horse type bit. Again these bits will be used on a fully finished bridle horse. Meaning a horse who is over 5-7 years old. Most older depending on the horse.

Again this bit is no more or less then any other bit. It just gives you more room for signels. I can do just as much damage with a snaffle as I could do with this bit. However it is not about damage or pain. It is about signels and I can give a lighter cue/signel with this bit then I could with a snaffle.
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    01-17-2013, 10:31 AM
  #125
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
First I think you are confusing a spad bit with a high port bit or correction.
I'm not confusing, I know none of them execpt what I've just read on the other topic.
     
    01-17-2013, 10:31 AM
  #126
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Don't know what bit this guy is using, but it sure isn't a simple snaffle...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5895...e_gdata_player
     
    01-17-2013, 10:39 AM
  #127
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Originally Posted by bsms    
Don't know what bit this guy is using, but it sure isn't a simple snaffle...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5895...e_gdata_player
He surely use a spanish complet bridle. Did you noticed he always has contact with the horse's mouth?
     
    01-17-2013, 10:46 AM
  #128
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Originally Posted by Dame Nuit    
I'm not confusing, I know none of them execpt what I've just read on the other topic.
Then if all you know about this bit and how it is used is by reading one thread on a forum on the net then do not even start judging the bit or its use. These bits have been in use for 100's of years. Again these bits are full bridle bits. If you do not understand what a bridle horse is then go back and educate yourself. It takes YEARS to get there.
     
    01-17-2013, 10:49 AM
  #129
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Like this. As you can see, not all that stuff INSIDE the mouth.

I suppose that's what you can call "culture shock"!
     
    01-17-2013, 10:52 AM
  #130
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Originally Posted by Dame Nuit    
He surely use a spanish complet bridle. Did you noticed he always has contact with the horse's mouth?
He did and he had very quiet hands however he was using his seat and legs to cue the horse more then the bridle.

Keep in mind while this type of contact is exceptable in this type of riding and for english type event. In western events this type of contact is not exceptable. Reining reined cow horse cutting and must other western events are done on a loos rein.
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