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    01-17-2013, 11:24 AM
  #141
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Dame Nuit    
I didn't post the video!
You posted the picture of the bridle and that is what I was referring to. You can not compare a shanked bit to a spade bit, two different concepts. That is the point I am trying to get across.
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    01-17-2013, 11:28 AM
  #142
Foal
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
The point I am making is that PP passes himself and his training DVDs as something they are not. If the master himself can not train a horse to spin properly yet thinks it is correct enough to show off and try and impress people what does that say for him and his training? All he is trying to do is impress people who do not know any better. He did the same thing when he was trying to get into reining. He went to some po dunk show which was not NRHA or NRCHA sactioned and did some reining and reined cow horse with some of his people and place high at the show then played it off with how good he was and how well hid and his students did in reining and cow horse. At the end of the day they pulled these videos b/c he was getting call out for it. When he actually tried NRHA reining he got schooled big time.
You're wrong on that point.
If PP DVD had been made to train horses to make spins and sliding stops and so on with horses, then they would have been NO USE for me, as I'm not a westerner.
What I'm looking for when I use PP DVDs, is how to communicate with the horse, how to improve the relationship, the confidence, the security.
I have a french instructor for french horsemanship, I don't need PP for that.

But when a friend of mine buy a horse, and discover after he had baught it that it as been bottle breed, and that he kicks, rears, bolts... I'm happy I know Parelli method so the horse can finally be ridden like any other horse.
That's what I find in Parelli's DVDs.
     
    01-17-2013, 11:30 AM
  #143
Yearling
I've heard of the rivalry of English vs Western but French vs Western? :]
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    01-17-2013, 11:31 AM
  #144
Foal
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
CC is talking about the bits posted.

As to the videos. They are apples to apples. That is why I used them.
BSM posted this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5895...e_gdata_player

And that's the reason why I posted the bits pictures.
     
    01-17-2013, 11:35 AM
  #145
Foal
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Originally Posted by Ian McDonald    
I've heard of the rivalry of English vs Western but French vs Western? :]
You english-speaking people only know about England in Europe!
Other country DO exist!
     
    01-17-2013, 11:39 AM
  #146
Green Broke
Did you hear the "whoosh" when that comment flew over your head?
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    01-17-2013, 11:40 AM
  #147
Foal
"whoosh"???
Maybe I missed something?
     
    01-17-2013, 11:46 AM
  #148
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Dame Nuit    
You english-speaking people only know about England in Europe!
Other country DO exist!
They do? I thought it was all EU now.

I'm just pulling your tail. I have seen some French riding.


Thought I'd throw that out there as a contrast to Pat. ;]
     
    01-17-2013, 11:50 AM
  #149
Trained
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Originally Posted by Dame Nuit    
You're wrong on that point.
If PP DVD had been made to train horses to make spins and sliding stops and so on with horses, then they would have been NO USE for me, as I'm not a westerner.
What I'm looking for when I use PP DVDs, is how to communicate with the horse, how to improve the relationship, the confidence, the security.
I have a french instructor for french horsemanship, I don't need PP for that.

But when a friend of mine buy a horse, and discover after he had baught it that it as been bottle breed, and that he kicks, rears, bolts... I'm happy I know Parelli method so the horse can finally be ridden like any other horse.
That's what I find in Parelli's DVDs.

That is fine if all YOU want form PP DVDs is a relationship. However that is not all he is selling. If it was he would not be doing these things at his clinics. He would not be trying to impress others by how well he things he can do these maneuvers.

The fact is that he is using these things to try and impress unknowing people into thinking if they buy his DVDs they too can do reining or Dressage or what ever they want. The fact is that you can not. He has proven this by his riding and his videos.

If what he is selling is simply a relationship then that is what he needs to be showing in his clinics and DVDs. However he would not get the sales if that is all he did.

As a breeder I have never heard the term bottle breed? Are you trying to say that the horse was bottle fed and human raised vs raised in a herd of horses?
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    01-17-2013, 11:50 AM
  #150
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian McDonald    

I'm just pulling your tail.
So did I.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian McDonald    

Thought I'd throw that out there as a contrast to Pat. ;]
Nobody can match the best frenchies! Not even with Cissy the mule!
     

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