Clinton V.S. Pat

This is where I'm not filled in on the facts: have others, B.P. (before Pat, just a li'l joke) used their whips as an extension of the arm, with which to stroke the horse as well as enforce directions?

Or has the whip always been all stick & no carrot, as it were, B.P.? When I was a kid, the longe whip or crop were just whips, which the horses would've been shocked to find us stroking them with! Au contraire, the horses were always leery & overly aware that one had a crop. Yet that was considered normal horsemanship. I find the cs concept much better for the horse.

Lol, It's him before McDonalds!

That is nothing new. People have been using all types of things from lunge whips to ropes to get horses use to all types of things over the years. Use of the lunge whip or Rope to get a horse use to you touching his legs and feet have been going on again as long as there have been horses and ropes.

I tried to touch this lady's horse with the dangling end of the lunge line, and she flipped her sh*t, lol.. I just waited untill she wasn't around, and did it anyway.. The horse was probably thinking "I don't think I'm even capable of a backflip" ..That's the look I got from Her anyway, lol.

Yes. Like NRHAreiner said, good horsemen have been using whatever was their tool of choice (whip, rope, stick, etc) to do exactly that for lots longer than dear old Pat has been alive.

They have also been laying them down with a simple leed line for years.. What is the point in that?

I'm wondering if he just got bucked off or something. It looks to me like his head is on backward .

Teaching a horse to lay down has many applications. So there are many points to it. Just depends on what you want out of your horse.

Thanks for that; that's neat!

Evidence? Here is what I found:

"When he was fifteen, he apprenticed with nationally acclaimed horse trainers Gordon McKinlay, and later, Ian Francis. During this time he started and trained over 600 horses, and three years later, he used his knowledge and expertise to start his own horse training facility.

In 1996, Clinton came to the United States and worked with Al Dunning, winner of multiple American Quarter Horse Association (AQHA) world championships..."

When did CA study under Pat Parelli?