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post #21 of 27 Old 12-29-2016, 02:39 PM
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I watched this one.

He's clearly spent a lot of time on the horse to train him that way. Some of the things I am not a fan of. The FAST spin? Not a fan because the horse isn't doing his footwork properly and is quite literally trying to jump around as fast as he can. At least, in my opinion on how a spin should be done; it should be smooth and fluid.

When he's doing all those little rollbacks early in the video, I can't say I'm particularly impressed with how the horse is using his body ... or rather, not using his body. His head is throwing around a lot, rather than making the movements from the hind end. Just doesn't look right.

I'm not too bothered by the tail swishing because a lot of horses do that (look at most high level dressage horses) when you are doing a lot of leg aides.


Watched this one:

Eh. He seems to explain things good but I personally am not fond of his method. He's not jerking on the reins, but he's still making the horse stick his nose out in the air. I realize his goal is not softness in this video .... but why allow your horse to keep doing it over and over again? Sure, you'll teach him to walk. But he's going to stick his nose out in the air every time you pick up that rein contact.

He didn't use the reins much in Part 2
but later in the video when he went to pick up the reins, that head shot up.

Again, looks like he spent a lot of time with the horse and is really getting him spur trained. Not a fan of how he teaches the horse not to use it's body correctly. IMO

But he does seem to talk things through well, for the listener.


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post #22 of 27 Old 01-01-2017, 03:48 AM
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Supposedly the horse in the first video Beau posted of him above was an ill mannered/troubled horse.
He has the symptoms of a horse that had been yanked on or rode hand first, heavy handed.

So take it for what it's worth.
Honestly, seems like a young kid riding the vaquero clinician trend.
If you like him great, if you don't - don't buy his stuff would be my advice. There's much worse out there :)
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post #23 of 27 Old 01-01-2017, 10:59 AM
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Just watched the first video, and he is teaching the spin of years ago, when correctness was not a factor, and horses hopped around, versus using that instilled idea of 'forward, thus reaching and crossing over correctly in front.
Since reining used to be one of my favorite disciplines, watching that alone, would make me go no further., far as any interest in this trainer
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post #24 of 27 Old 01-01-2017, 08:11 PM
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Carons James needs to spend a little while learning how to put his techniques into words that novice horseman will understand and can do something with.

I like him and think he could be good. The biggest thing holding him back is that he parrots the Dorrance Brothers and Ray Hunt a lot, while not really being able to explain much beyond getting any change and proclaiming "there!".

He is going up against people who have articulated exactly what they want to see and can do it and explain it in real time during a demonstration with an unknown horse. Holding clippers over a horse's poll for 20 minutes waiting for them to drop their head any amount eventually teaches a lesson but he could be so much more effective if he stated what he is looking for.

I watched a stopping demonstration that was completely ineffective. If someone has a horse they have a hard time stopping they wasted 38 minutes watching that and are no closer to a good stop.

The most honest thing I can say is I hope he does well but he is going to have to come up with his own material. That esoteric Buckaroo stuff wears off quickly.
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Carons James needs to spend a little while learning how to put his techniques into words that novice horseman will understand and can do something with.

I like him and think he could be good. The biggest thing holding him back is that he parrots the Dorrance Brothers and Ray Hunt a lot, while not really being able to explain much beyond getting any change and proclaiming "there!".

He is going up against people who have articulated exactly what they want to see and can do it and explain it in real time during a demonstration with an unknown horse. Holding clippers over a horse's poll for 20 minutes waiting for them to drop their head any amount eventually teaches a lesson but he could be so much more effective if he stated what he is looking for.

I watched a stopping demonstration that was completely ineffective. If someone has a horse they have a hard time stopping they wasted 38 minutes watching that and are no closer to a good stop.

The most honest thing I can say is I hope he does well but he is going to have to come up with his own material. That esoteric Buckaroo stuff wears off quickly.
I agree. I have joined his "members" group, and have watched all the videos on his site (and passed all the quizzes.)
I do like his ground work stuff, but I agree he is regurgitating Ray Hunt and Dorrance Bro. stuff. Which is fine, but he needs to learn to articulate it better. I prefer his approach on the ground to Clinton Anderson's theory of "give your horse a heart attack every day." (My horse, my first horse by the way, is one big raw nerve. He does NOT need extra heart attacks from me... but he DOES need to respect me as a leader...we're working on it.)


As for the Buckaroo stuff, I turn my brain off. A lot of his buckaroo techniques are counter to what I've learned in my lessons, riding English. I hope to never have to deal with a "sliding stop". That said, things like getting control of the hindquarters and shoulders ARE useful for lateral work in any discipline.


I do like his use of a Bosal hackamore rather than a mechanical hackamore.
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Honestly, seems like a young kid riding the vaquero clinician trend.
That was my impression as well. He does not impress me now. Maybe later, after he has gotten a few years under his belt and shows me a horse that is working relaxed & correctly, I'll change my mind (not that my opinion means squat, LOL). But right now, he's not my cup of tea.

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If you like him great, if you don't - don't buy his stuff would be my advice. There's much worse out there :)
Agree with this as well. That I don't care for him doesn't mean others won't like him & find him useful. Different strokes and all that. That goes for all the guru/BN trainers out there.
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post #27 of 27 Old 01-15-2017, 11:26 AM
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I agree. I have joined his "members" group, and have watched all the videos on his site (and passed all the quizzes.)
I do like his ground work stuff, but I agree he is regurgitating Ray Hunt and Dorrance Bro. stuff. Which is fine, but he needs to learn to articulate it better. I prefer his approach on the ground to Clinton Anderson's theory of "give your horse a heart attack every day." (My horse, my first horse by the way, is one big raw nerve. He does NOT need extra heart attacks from me... but he DOES need to respect me as a leader...we're working on it.)


As for the Buckaroo stuff, I turn my brain off. A lot of his buckaroo techniques are counter to what I've learned in my lessons, riding English. I hope to never have to deal with a "sliding stop". That said, things like getting control of the hindquarters and shoulders ARE useful for lateral work in any discipline.


I do like his use of a Bosal hackamore rather than a mechanical hackamore.
I have done the same, joined the members group watched all the videos and took the quizzes.

I think he has the right personality to be a good and popular clinician. It is most noticable when you see him work with one of his clients and a problem horse.

To be fair to him, plenty of clinicians quote their mentors. Clinton Anderson credits his two mentors for the bulk of his program. He is matter of fact about not having come up with most of it. His talent is taking what they taught him and communicating it as specifics.

I'm also a bit of a nerd, and tend to want to know why and how something works. For example I've heard a lot of people try to explain what is happening with saddle fit, rowels, bits, girths. Pressure = Force / Area, now that I can understand. There are endless topics in horsemanship that are poorly named and poorly explained and repeated by those that have been around long enough to get it, it is our "technical speak" lol.

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