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        10-14-2013, 11:59 PM
      #101
    Weanling
    HI

    You bought a colt, let him be a wild horse till he is four them hand his 1500 pound animal over to a 160 pound person and expect the horse to be under saddle and cantering in six weeks. Your kidding me. This is the same as going out and getting a three year old mustang and telling someone to train it in six weeks!!! You were asking this person to do the impossible!!! This horse needed six week of ground work before you could even think about putting a bride on! Even the best trainers in the world can't train a mustang in six weeks.
         
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        10-15-2013, 12:41 AM
      #102
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LyraFreedom    
    You bought a colt, let him be a wild horse till he is four them hand his 1500 pound animal over to a 160 pound person and expect the horse to be under saddle and cantering in six weeks. Your kidding me. This is the same as going out and getting a three year old mustang and telling someone to train it in six weeks!!! You were asking this person to do the impossible!!! This horse needed six week of ground work before you could even think about putting a bride on! Even the best trainers in the world can't train a mustang in six weeks.

    Frankly, I find your naiveté both amusing and offensive at the same time. Did you even read the rest of the thread? There are several members who posted in this thread that do exactly that, myself included.

    And, just to prove you wrong on the bolded parts above. In 2004, some family friends adopted a 2 year old mustang stud. They brought him home and realized that he was actually wild, so they left him in an arena by himself for an entire year. I bought him in 2005 as a 3 year old completely unhandled stud. Brought him home on Thursday and by that next Tuesday, I was riding him through cattle w/t/c.

    Now, almost 9 years later, he's my go-to horse for anything and everything.


    So, tell me again how even the "best horse trainer in the world can't train a mustang in 6 weeks"?
         
        10-15-2013, 12:42 PM
      #103
    Green Broke
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    Your kidding me. This is the same as going out and getting a three year old mustang and telling someone to train it in six weeks!!! You were asking this person to do the impossible!!!
    a) read the rest of the thread and b)you don't know what you are talking about. A horse that is "trained" wrong will take far longer to get riding well than a wild one. I have worked with a two year old mustang that went from wild to on her back in a month, and that was working with her very sparingly and lightly, as she had a foal at her side. I had another 4 yo filly that was spoiled on the ground with treats, but never halter broke. I had her halter broke and trail riding w/t/c in 30 days. I ended up selling her to a youth as a jumper a year later.

    There may be some horses that are so messed up, determined or fearful that they need that much time, but the vast majority do not.
         
        10-17-2013, 01:50 AM
      #104
    Weanling
    You guys are looking at trainers like some miracle workers. They are just like any other experienced horse person except they have the gut to get on a horse that could explode at any second!
         
        10-17-2013, 08:53 AM
      #105
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by LyraFreedom    
    You guys are looking at trainers like some miracle workers. They are just like any other experienced horse person except they have the gut to get on a horse that could explode at any second!
    Lyra, really, you should go back and read the whole thread.

    Point being, the trainer said she could have the horse ready in the set amount of time, which she didn't. There was a huge lack of communication between the horse owner and trainer.
    Yes a good portion of this thread was devoted to whether a horse could be started in that amount of time and plenty of examples were given by those who have done it. The most recent example being smrobs on this page, who IS a trainer, not someone who sends her horses off to the trainer and expects miracles when they get back.
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        10-17-2013, 10:11 AM
      #106
    Weanling
    When I took my 3 year old to the trainer this past spring I took him first for an assessment that was about 1 1/2 hours long. He worked around with him on the ground, ground manners, yielding to the body, tarps, lounging, tacking up, everything. Then he rode him for a short while. After that we sat down and talked for about 1/2 an hour and he told me exactly where the horse was at, what he needed for training, what he could do in 2 months. Loved the process. In 2 months I got exactly what he said I would get. I didn't tell him what I wanted, except that I wanted him out on the trails a bit, he told me what he could do in that amount of time. I knew what I was going to get and was very happy with the results and would recommend this trainer to anyone I know.
         
        10-17-2013, 11:52 AM
      #107
    Green Broke
    Lyra, plenty of us have trained horses ourselves. I don't think anyone in this thread expects a trainer to be a 'miracle worker'. What we DO expect is to get what we paid for. IE-if someone advertises that I will have a saddle broke horse in 30 days for $1,300. Then I sure as heck better get it.
         
        10-17-2013, 12:25 PM
      #108
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by ropinbiker    
    If I was the OP I would be upset! She didn't get 2 months(or 1.5) worth of training. When I started outside colts a few years ago I guaranteed a horse that knew all 3 gaits under saddle, had a great stop, have at least 20 rides, and be used to a bridle/bit....most horses only need a day or two of "ground work"...we have gotten into "babyin" horses too much...just like some folks' kids that are running amuck in restaurants these days...no discipline!!
    I'd have loved to see you try it with my lad! He'd have killed you.

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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    And people wonder why no one will train horses....

    Sorry but especially after this thread, there is no way in heck I'd ever take on a horse for training, especially not starting one. Because God Forbid if you want to do any ground work with it.
    Next colt starter I meet I'm going to hug, because they are the ones that have to put up with this unrealistic crap.
    I agree, over here (UK) any trainer who says less than 6 weeks for a well handled youngster (by well handled meaning leads, ties up, wears a rug, often already bitted, worn a surcingle etc) is viewed with a lot of suspicion.

    If you break a horse it is worth doing properly and in doing it properly you make it very very eassy to take the horse on from there.
    I cringe when someone says they don't longrein before riding, It is an essential part of their education and makes schooling them afterwards that much easier. If you get a class of youngsters the ones that have ben longreined are blatently obvious as they are normaly the ones that are stronger, fitter and more advanced in thier schooling. My lad doesnt know how to move incorrectly undersaddle, he travels in a lovely outline stretching correctly over his back from the first few steps of walk, he does this because he learnt how to do it in long reins and has known nothing else undersaddle, It is a babyish outline but advancing his schooling is that much easier because he has correct basics.

    If you only train a horse as a trail horse you severely limit its market, over here 99% of non "competition" horses are trained to be allrounders who can do a low level dressage test, a round of show jumping, a bit of pony club games, a bit of trail riding, schooling, lessons etc some are better at it than others but a good allrounder has the biggest market even if it is never going to excel at anything and is ugly as sin.
         
        10-17-2013, 01:30 PM
      #109
    Green Broke
    ^It's not a matter of "unrealistic crap", it's a matter of advertising. If you tell me you can break my horse in thirty days, and charge accordingly, that's what I expect to receive. That's bad business.
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        10-17-2013, 02:02 PM
      #110
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Zexious    
    ^It's not a matter of "unrealistic crap", it's a matter of advertising. If you tell me you can break my horse in thirty days, and charge accordingly, that's what I expect to receive. That's bad business.
    So if a politician tells you he's going to get the US out of debt in 5 years and decrease taxes - you will believe him and vote for him?

    Consumer/voter/buyer beware. Have realistic expectations, regardless of what anyone says because talk is cheap. I don't care if someone says they can take an untouched horse and make it a safe trail horse in 6 weeks, or even if they've done it once or twice. It's still not realistic. 6 months - sure. 3 months OK if you're good - but the better the trainer the price will adjust accordingly. Supply and demand. A good trainer will charge a lot more than $1300 to break a horse to the point it's ridable by an AA on trails/in spooky situations.

    IMO current trainer is a lot more realistic.
         

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