I'd have loved to see you try it with my lad! he'd have killed you.
I agree, over here (UK) any trainer who says less than 6 weeks for a well handled youngster (by well handled meaning leads, ties up, wears a rug, often already bitted, worn a surcingle etc) is viewed with a lot of suspicion.
If you break a horse it is worth doing properly and in doing it properly you make it very very eassy to take the horse on from there.
I cringe when someone says they dont longrein before riding, It is an essential part of their education and makes schooling them afterwards that much easier. If you get a class of youngsters the ones that have ben longreined are blatently obvious as they are normaly the ones that are stronger, fitter and more advanced in thier schooling. My lad doesnt know how to move incorrectly undersaddle, he travels in a lovely outline stretching correctly over his back from the first few steps of walk, he does this because he learnt how to do it in long reins and has known nothing else undersaddle, It is a babyish outline but advancing his schooling is that much easier because he has correct basics.
If you only train a horse as a trail horse you severely limit its market, over here 99% of non "competition" horses are trained to be allrounders who can do a low level dressage test, a round of show jumping, a bit of pony club games, a bit of trail riding, schooling, lessons etc some are better at it than others but a good allrounder has the biggest market even if it is never going to excel at anything and is ugly as sin.
Faye, really?? Killed me? If that is the case then he must be a true glue factory horse! (that's a joke...and no, he would not of killed me...he would have been dog tired at the end of the first day though...as would've I) I did train a horse that used to run at and attempt to bite, kick, or run over anyone that came into his stall...even to feed him. I had him loping in the round pen on the 6th day and his 3rd ride. The first day he did try to kill me while i was on the ground schooling him. He is the only horse I ever had to actually hit on the head with my training stick(while moving to the side like a matador to avoid his teeth and feet). After about 3 hours of this he decided I could move his feet whereever I wanted to as long as I didn't make him run....the 2nd day he tried me again, for about 30 minutes this time, then he began to see things my way. He is the only horse I had to have another person on a 2nd horse help me get him "going" in the round pen. After I had them help me motivate him to the lope that first time, he was golden.
A total of 33 days(it rained some on me, so I couldn't train him everday) I returned him to his owner.....you coud ride him in the field(he had a 5 or so acre pasture) at the w/t/c with a loose rein. He didn't neck rain, move off of just leg pressure, but I didn't promise that either, and never would in 30 days. He did follow his nose, give his hip when asked, and he was developing a real nice stop...at the w/t/c.
I have two of my youngsters in training now. On the 3rd ride(5th day of training) we are, you guessed it...w/t/cantering off an easy leg squeeze and cluck.....as a matter of fact, my 17 year old daughter was the first to ride them both at the canter(with me on the ground to help control)....I would not have let her back them if they were unsafe.