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        07-08-2013, 02:38 PM
      #31
    Weanling
    That said, I am very happy that he is calmer and that I can catch him now!! So, I take back that you completely WASTED the money because at least I can catch him now! I had just been expecting more the entire time so was pretty taken off guard.

    No big deal, I'm not MAD and I would maybe even take lessons or something from this lady in the future, she is very nice. But I just won't send another colt to her, or likely to anyone else. To me, that is too slow with too little gain for that kinda money.
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        07-08-2013, 02:41 PM
      #32
    Showing
    I suppose it's just a difference in experiences and knowledge/ability. I agree with Cherie and CowChick, what you listed wouldn't be considered "unrealistic" in my barn. It doesn't take 6 months to get a horse that can comfortably w/t/c under saddle and be sane enough to ride around on trails. They sure won't have any sort of finishing work on them and they may not be perfectly "collected", but there is a difference between trained and broke. To get a horse broke, you just teach them the basics and then ride them a few million miles until they are comfortable with whatever you are doing on their back. A trained horse is what you see in the reining or dressage arena. Most average riders don't need or want a horse like that...and couldn't ride it if they had one. They need a horse that they can walk out and catch, put a saddle on, and ride around without being bucked off, bolted with, kicked, run over, etc, etc, etc.

    If there was no big issues that came up that she would have had to deal with like bucking, then I see no reason why she couldn't have had him going at 3 gaits and plow reining with a rider in 30 days. Of course, sometimes a particular temperament or an issue pops up that may bring progress to a screeching halt until that issue is resolved, but an average horse? No reason why it couldn't be decently started in 30 days.

    Just because someone can get a lot done with a horse in a hurry, I don't know why folks always think that huge holes are being left in their training. Perhaps it's just because that particular person knows how to get the most out of a horse a short time. I often wonder if some people are just jealous that it takes them 6 months or a year to get the results that someone else can get in 30-45 days.
         
        07-08-2013, 03:13 PM
      #33
    Yearling
    The problem is there is a shortage of good trainers. If you want the horse going well in 30 days than those trainers are probably going to charge a whole lot more, and be booked well in advance.

    I can certainly train an untouched horse in 30 days, but there are many trainers who can't. There are many trainers who don't know how to handle an untouched horse from a field/the wild. As for my 2 yr old, she was straight from a field, and needed the time to mature (grew another 6 inches in height! Yikes!). Instead of pushing her, I ponied her on trails, got her groundwork done, and saddled/bridled, and exposed her to shows. Lots to do without ever needing to get on her. Since this was my future show horse (and hopefully my lifetime partner) I was not going to rush.

    We still don't know the trainer's side of the story. Maybe the horse had a major snag in it's training. What exactly happened that the trainer didn't touch the horse for 15 days? Seems like something might have gone wrong.

    If the owner is disappointed, maybe she should call the trainer and ask why there wasn't more progress? Or if there were any major issues? Very well could be a reason...
         
        07-08-2013, 03:49 PM
      #34
    Trained
    I agree with those and you SC that agrees he should be doing better with that amount of time.
    I have, and I'm no trainer.

    Guys, in that amount of time I'd expect the basics, and by basics I mean solid ones.
    Like stand for mounting/tacking, gentle, a nice walk, and a calm trot. He should be wore out and responsive, bomb proof, no, but well on his way to green broke. Only 5 rides on him? That's ridiculous.

    I too think it's easier to start an unhandled horse than to fix a problem one.
    When I sent mine in (for the FIRST TIME EVER) he had huge problems, in just shy of two months my trainer had her 7 year old daughter trail riding him. He was a mess that I was too busy and to busted up to work on, was a puppy when I got him back.

    Bummer SC. I'd be ticked too.
         
        07-08-2013, 05:07 PM
      #35
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SnowCowgirl    
    Ugh I just have such a bad taste in my mouth. I really did have no other option cause I just moved and have no access to pens, arenas, etc... But it is still really frustrating.
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    That is outrageous! Every horse I have sent out to be broke to ride, has usually gone for 2-3 months and I've paid $850/month for board and full time training. For that amount of money he better be working at the walk/trot/canter and starting to come on the bit! I would refuse to pay that kind of money for that little work. If you've already paid, I would be asking for a refund.

    Shows the importance of doing your homework before sending your horse out to someone.
         
        07-08-2013, 07:20 PM
      #36
    Super Moderator
    More than just 'doing your homework', you need to check on a horse once a week at least. If you see inadequate progress you say something or bring the horse home. You need to discuss this as the horse is being trained -- not wait until it is time to bring the horse home.
         
        07-08-2013, 08:48 PM
      #37
    Weanling
    That was my biggest mistake. Unfortunately the trainer was a total of 7 hour drive from me so I only got up there a couple times. She kept reassuring me so I kept giving her the benefit of the doubt.
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        07-08-2013, 10:57 PM
      #38
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by smrobs    
    I suppose it's just a difference in experiences and knowledge/ability. I agree with Cherie and CowChick, what you listed wouldn't be considered "unrealistic" in my barn. It doesn't take 6 months to get a horse that can comfortably w/t/c under saddle and be sane enough to ride around on trails. They sure won't have any sort of finishing work on them and they may not be perfectly "collected", but there is a difference between trained and broke. To get a horse broke, you just teach them the basics and then ride them a few million miles until they are comfortable with whatever you are doing on their back. A trained horse is what you see in the reining or dressage arena. Most average riders don't need or want a horse like that...and couldn't ride it if they had one. They need a horse that they can walk out and catch, put a saddle on, and ride around without being bucked off, bolted with, kicked, run over, etc, etc, etc.

    If there was no big issues that came up that she would have had to deal with like bucking, then I see no reason why she couldn't have had him going at 3 gaits and plow reining with a rider in 30 days. Of course, sometimes a particular temperament or an issue pops up that may bring progress to a screeching halt until that issue is resolved, but an average horse? No reason why it couldn't be decently started in 30 days.

    Just because someone can get a lot done with a horse in a hurry, I don't know why folks always think that huge holes are being left in their training. Perhaps it's just because that particular person knows how to get the most out of a horse a short time. I often wonder if some people are just jealous that it takes them 6 months or a year to get the results that someone else can get in 30-45 days.
    To the bolded sentence
    (loved the whole post, but that is my favorite)
    smrobs, Sahara, Cherie and 3 others like this.
         
        07-08-2013, 11:21 PM
      #39
    Showing
    When we send a horse off for training, it's got to be close enough for frequent visits. This isn't always easy. I'm beginning to think we don't pay for a month's training but pay week by week. A good trainer can put a nice wtc and backing up on a horse in 30 days because the horse understands what the trainer is asking. It should only be considered "started".
         
        07-08-2013, 11:29 PM
      #40
    Trained
    I suspect that the "hole" that this horse had in its training was that the "trainer" didn't work with him but 5 or 6 times.
         

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