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        07-09-2013, 02:19 PM
      #51
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    And people wonder why no one will train horses....

    Sorry but especially after this thread, there is no way in heck I'd ever take on a horse for training, especially not starting one. Because God Forbid if you want to do any ground work with it.
    Next colt starter I meet I'm going to hug, because they are the ones that have to put up with this unrealistic crap.
    I am sure that there are plenty of horses that can't be trained in 60 days; however, the trainer said that she would get the horse going for the set price. It would be in her best interest to make the client happy. Many trainers do this kind of thing all the time even with totally unhandled horses. I think that the point of contention is that the trainer promised one thing and delivered another thing, but still charged the full price. She should have realized that this was a problem horse and at least alerted the owner to the problem so that she could decide whether she wanted to continue to invest in this horse's training.
         
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        07-09-2013, 02:47 PM
      #52
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Celeste    
    I am sure that there are plenty of horses that can't be trained in 60 days; however, the trainer said that she would get the horse going for the set price. It would be in her best interest to make the client happy. Many trainers do this kind of thing all the time even with totally unhandled horses. I think that the point of contention is that the trainer promised one thing and delivered another thing, but still charged the full price. She should have realized that this was a problem horse and at least alerted the owner to the problem so that she could decide whether she wanted to continue to invest in this horse's training.

    Really?? And where on the thread did the trainer come on and post and say that... or are we still just taking OP word for word? Because there is inevitably another side to this story, and personally I think $1300 is a bargain for what OP did get.
    Some people are willing to get paid peanuts to bronc out untouched horses and get them "broke" in 30 days - that's great for them. Then the owner gets piled headfirst into walls and ends up with rods in her back. Not like I've never seen that first hand...
    IMO the horse should be lunged for 3 months before anyone thinks about sitting on it (if it's just been pulled out of a field). And it's not like I muck about *****footing around in my training. I ride a horse right now with 10 months undersaddle who already has changes and is confirmed second level, with a few championships and large awards under his belt.
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        07-09-2013, 03:05 PM
      #53
    Green Broke
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    the horse should be lunged for 3 months before anyone thinks about sitting on it
    goodness, how are people supposed to afford horses? So $650 a month, not including transport, is cheap(on the lower end of the average price here), what should they have paid? Guessing $1000 a month? So three months of lunging at $1000 a shot, then I'm assuming you would say at least 3 months under saddle(correct me If I'm wrong) to get them 'started', in this case just well enough that a fairly experienced rider can take them out on the trail. The OP admitted the horse was worth about $200 before training. So that's $6000 to get a horse to the point it would be considered 'started under saddle', in training alone. When you can buy a barely started horse for 1000-1500. That's crazy.
         
        07-09-2013, 03:20 PM
      #54
    Started
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    Originally Posted by BlueSpark    
    goodness, how are people supposed to afford horses? So $650 a month, not including transport, is cheap(on the lower end of the average price here), what should they have paid? Guessing $1000 a month? So three months of lunging at $1000 a shot, then I'm assuming you would say at least 3 months under saddle(correct me If I'm wrong) to get them 'started', in this case just well enough that a fairly experienced rider can take them out on the trail. The OP admitted the horse was worth about $200 before training. So that's $6000 to get a horse to the point it would be considered 'started under saddle', in training alone. When you can buy a barely started horse for 1000-1500. That's crazy.
    That's horses? They suck all the money out of you, and you can't sell them for peanuts, ahah.

    I guess if it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.

    I think people like Anebel and I expect quite a higher level of competency when we start our horses because they are high-functioning performance animals. Like my yearling who has already been to world championships, can ground drive, and knows how to sidepass from the ground. She's also fitted up so she's less likely to hurt herself and more likely to use the correct muscles once ridden. When I get on her next year, it'll be a breeze (I hope).

    But if you're interested in taking a free/$200 cheapy horse and putting in some quick cheapy training to make a cheapy trail horse, then that is totally your option and perogative. And like you said, it's probably not worth it to put $6000 worth of training on a $200 horse. It's probably not worth it to put $1300 in it, I would've just left it out in the pasture until I had more time to do it myself.

    But there's a difference between buying a $1500 already started horse, and then taking a $20,000 horse and putting in the $6,000 in training.

    So I guess, it just depends on who you are and what you want. Personally, I think the training is the most important part and I would invest a lot of money in it with a reputable trainer - which I don't think this one was, but you always have to be very responsible when you send your horses away and never see them.

    I think you should look into some wannabe-trainer teenage girls in your area. They love to ride and break horses for pennies, aha. They'll do it all in your backyard too.
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        07-09-2013, 03:33 PM
      #55
    Trained
    Around here, if you longed a horse for three months for a client before riding it, you would be out of business before you even started. This is a grade gelding who will never see Grand Prix nuttin' or breed show regionals, training is different. For 60 days training here for $700 to $1000 per month, barring some major problem with the horse, you get halter broke, ground manners, including picking up hooves & farrier work manners, bridling, saddling, mounting and walk, trot and lope. The third month is optional, owner works with horse & trainer and that is $1000 per month minimum, these are what decent trainers charge here. Now if you want to get into something beyond the bare minimum basics, no trainer here will charge you less than $1000 per month and your horse will be with them on & off for about a year.
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        07-09-2013, 03:41 PM
      #56
    Trained
    Most people I know do the ground work themselves before sending the horses out.
    And if it's my horses, I'm doing the work myself, and asking for help from qualified individuals.

    Sorry, horses are expensive. I board for more than what OP paid for training.
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        07-09-2013, 04:02 PM
      #57
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    Most people I know do the ground work themselves before sending the horses out.
    And if it's my horses, I'm doing the work myself, and asking for help from qualified individuals.

    Sorry, horses are expensive. I board for more than what OP paid for training.
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        07-09-2013, 04:22 PM
      #58
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by oh vair oh    
    But that's after I've spent 2 years doing groundwork.
    I doubt anyone would send a horse to the trainer to pay for 2 years of just groundwork. Groundwork is a nice start and often a good thing to do for 5-10 mins (if needed) to warm-up or get the horse concentrated on you before the ride (I sometime do bending from the ground before I get in a saddle), however it's not an "answer to all".

    The fact you can and do spend 2 years on groundwork doesn't mean it's something everyone else should do. Personally I do think it's a waste of time to spend so much time on it unless you have a youngster you can't ride, so you have to work with one, and working from the ground is the only option.

    BTW, almost every reputable trainer in my area takes in unbroke horses to work with. Including dressage and eventing trainers.
         
        07-09-2013, 04:22 PM
      #59
    Green Broke
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    Sorry, horses are expensive. I board for more than what OP paid for training.
    They don't have to be that expensive. And congratulations on having thousands of dollars a month extra to dump into a hobby. That's great.

    What I don't get is this stupid mentality, so many have, where if you are not using some crazy high end trainer, and you don't own a world champion quality horse then you must not have a high enough set of standards. What the people with this mentality fail to realize, is ITS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF STANDARDS. I'm not going to buy a Ferrari to drive home on rutted gravel roads every day from work, or do a job with extensive travel. No, I would pick up a moderately priced car that is easy to repair and reasonable to replace, because I don't need any of the capabilities the Ferrari has, and paying for something I would never want or use would be ridiculous.

    No one looking for a plain old, nothing fancy type horse that can pack them safely from a-b is going to go out and buy a super expensive, perfectly conformed, well bred show quality horse, nor are they going send it to a trainer that trains high end show horses.
         
        07-09-2013, 04:35 PM
      #60
    Green Broke
    I didn't read every post on this thread...but I agree with several points here. Anabel's right, expecting an untouched horse to be broke enough to w/t/c and accept at bit in 6 weeks? Unrealistic. I don't lunge horses for 3 months before I sit on them but expecting any more then what you got is pretty unrealistic. $1300 for 2 months isn't much either for board and a quality trainer starting a horse. Here's where I see the OP's viewpoint.. why the heck did the trainer tell you she could do it? Or if she started working with the horse and realize she couldn't, why didn't tell you then? As a trainer I make a point to be very upfront and honest with anyone who brings me a horse. I've turned several people away who had too high expectations. But I've also had some people stay when I told them I'd do what I could do in the time frame they gave me. A few months ago I had someone bring me a pony they wanted me to teach to jump well enough to go to a show. The time they gave me seemed fairly reasonable. But the first week I sat on him I discovered a host of issues that would push that deadline way back. I immediately told them a more realistic time frame and they told me to do what I could do in the time they could afford. He came a little further along then I thought but wasn't ready to show. But because I was upfront and gave them updates, they were very pleased with the outcome. Communication! I don't know why so many trainers don't seem to have it, but it's important for business! Sorry OP that you were disappointed and frustrated. Understandably so, seeing how the trainer told you she could do it and took your money. But.. I think your expectations were too high.
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