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post #11 of 77 Old 05-15-2013, 11:09 PM Thread Starter
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^^^ What muppet said! Lol

Like I said, Im not bashing, but to me that is a big turn off when the first thing I see on a trainers site is buy a correction bit from a trainer as controversial as he.IMO a cathedral or high port bit is a bit of an overkill(pardon the pun).

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post #12 of 77 Old 05-15-2013, 11:11 PM
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a cathedral bit has to be very well designed and well balanced to be comfortable, but it is, I understnad the horse is very happy and responsive. But, the rider must be well trained, of course
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Its not overkill-- its for vaquero riding style. Horses are trained to a bosal- then to rein- whitch consists of a spade and a bosal to teach them what the spade means and when the horse is ready they ditch the bosal and use the spade alone- it takes years to perfect and only a very good trained horse would use a bit like that. Definitely not a beginner horse or rider.

In the right hands no bit is 'too harsh'
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a cathedral bit has to be very well designed and well balanced to be comfortable, but it is, I understnad the horse is very happy and responsive. But, the rider must be well trained, of course
Yes....my horse packs it around quite happily. He was trained well in it and I have good hands and can ride one handed.....it's not a schooling bit.
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I believe Mr. Wells has had a shady past if I remember correctly.
Going to use the same 'ol stand by.....
"bits are only as good as the hands using them".

Cathedrals, A- frames and other big ports should be used with caution and correspond with the training of the horse rather than skip steps and create the illusion of furthered training by forcing a head set or trying to soften one.

I do not put these bits in the same category as a spade even though several tack catalogs/websites will tout any large port with a fancier cheek as a "spade". It would be great if all used the cathedrals and A-frames were used in the same manner but there is a reason for the braces, spoon, chains and reins. It is about balance and signal, not the pull. And it takes a lot of prep to get to that point. There was a reason for the series of bosals and bosalitas before just the spade is used, it is all prep to be able to pack the bridle properly without pulling-using the subtle signal as possible.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with the bits as long as the groundwork has been laid to use them rather than a shortcut.
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Was it you who had the long and detailed informational thread about the making of a bridle horse?
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Was it you who had the long and detailed informational thread about the making of a bridle horse?
No it was Wanstrom....but she just vanished
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post #19 of 77 Old 05-16-2013, 12:28 AM
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I always feel so frazzled when someone brings up the spade bit. I have no idea how it is the "best bit ever" or something to that effect...

If it works for your horse, I'm glad. But I don't think my horse would do well in that at this point.

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I would LOVE to ride a horse in a spade bit at sometime in my life, because then I would know that I had made it as a rider, totally independent seat, so light in my hands that I could ride with a thread of cotton, riding the ultimately well trained horse, so in tune that we seem to read each other thoughts.

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