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post #21 of 77 Old 05-16-2013, 12:46 AM
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It takes a very skilled trainer to get a horse into a cathedral or spade bit. They aren't that harsh as the horse has been slowly brought up into the bridle, as its called. To get a horse to accept and work in one of these bits is the epitome of a true bridle horse.
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I highly suggest reading this thread or even tossing a message at Wanstrom about bridle horses and these bits. I learned an astronomical amount of information from her and this thread, and definitely gained a new respect for this style of training and the equipment used. I used to see these types of bits and sneer, but now that I've learned what I have about them, I'm very impressed and ashamed at how quickly I jumped to conclusions only because I happen to live where there are a lot of harsh "trainers" who think all it takes to be a vaquero is a big old bit and a prancy, scared-looking horse. Of course, I would never dabble with any of these bits, but in the right hands, it's amazing what will happen.
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Ya I miss Wanstrom, I hope everything worked out with her delivery and baby.
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that's right! She was expecting her first. We should pm her and see how it went. Ok, sorry for mini thread hijack.
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that's right! She was expecting her first. We should pm her and see how it went. Ok, sorry for mini thread hijack.
A few of us have PMed her.....she's just vanished Tiny.....
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post #24 of 77 Old 05-16-2013, 01:01 AM
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I would LOVE to ride a horse in a spade bit at sometime in my life, because then I would know that I had made it as a rider, totally independent seat, so light in my hands that I could ride with a thread of cotton, riding the ultimately well trained horse, so in tune that we seem to read each other thoughts.

*LE SIGH* I should have started on the quest many years ago.
Me too.....I think I'm only going to stay at cathedral level (just)......thanks to my great horse!
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post #25 of 77 Old 05-16-2013, 01:52 AM
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I agree, it would be my greatest achievement in life to be able to ride properly in a spade bit.

I think you are confusing using a big bit for beating into submission rather than using a high ported bit with long shanks in order to communicate subtlety on an extremely draped rein - I.e. Western pleasure or western performance.

Lest not judge a man on the bits he uses, but on the man's record of animal abuse. I believe it's the infected bloody spur marks you have to watch out for with CW.........
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that's what I was getting at. More the bits in connection to his record.

I was put on the naughty step for bashing big bits when that's not what I was intending in the first place. Posting a thread while cooking supper doesnt always promote good explanation.
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It's okay, I don't think any of us like CW, but we will defend to the death our right to use cathedrals and spades effectively. :)


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And power to you for having the skill to use them. I don't think id ever have the confidence in myself to use one but that's just me.
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I agree, it would be my greatest achievement in life to be able to ride properly in a spade bit.

I think you are confusing using a big bit for beating into submission rather than using a high ported bit with long shanks in order to communicate subtlety on an extremely draped rein - I.e. Western pleasure or western performance.

Lest not judge a man on the bits he uses, but on the man's record of animal abuse. I believe it's the infected bloody spur marks you have to watch out for with CW.........
And breaks a horse's jaw somehow.

I wonder if it happened when he did something like this (not the horse that he broke the jaw of).
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post #30 of 77 Old 05-16-2013, 08:31 AM
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And breaks a horse's jaw somehow.

Cleve Wells Clinic "soften up" - YouTube I wonder if it happened when he did something like this (not the horse that he broke the jaw of).
Oh geez Louise......ya that's effective......if he's doing that with a snaffle ON CAMERA in front if people....imagine what he'd do when no ones looking
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