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    03-28-2013, 07:31 PM
  #101
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Palomine    
It WAS his responsibility as a "world famous trainer" to insist on necropsy which, judging by how owner seems, would have been easy sell, and he should have paid for it, after reading the statement I put up of his?

I imagine he DID NOT want horse to be examined. And may not have because others in area know this is frequent occurrence there. One more might have raised questions.

This is not a statement from an innocent man, this is a statement from someone who is arrogant, and a smart ass to boot.

And like it or not...the impression he gives is "lovey dovey kiss your horsey" much more than it is "MAKE the horse DO what you WANT no matter what it takes."

He does not advocate getting tough with horses in this manner.

I hope the lid comes off him, like it did Cleve Wells and Shirley Roth.

Owner said on farm's FB page:

Dear All,
Clinton called and asked me to please stop mourning for my horse on facebook. And I will honor his wishes. 10,000 nosey noodles contacted him.
No more shares or comments please. Thank you.


I posted from her fb directly she did NOT want an autopsy. Does that still make him guilty in your eyes?

And really?? She's spouting off on FB and all sorts of locations how he's 'killed multiple horses' you don't think he has a right to ask her to STOP posting it? I have no doubt he told her to stop letting people contact him, but I highly doubt he told her to stop mourning. That's just stupid.
     
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    03-28-2013, 07:31 PM
  #102
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by horselessmom    
I believe that if he wanted to appear professional, he could've managed to write a professional statement. He obviously wrote his when he was pissed, and he obviously feels he doesn't need to restrain himself.

While I agree that his piece of writing is genuine and is all "Clinton," I don't agree that it works well as a statement.

He made his choice, and many people like his choice. That's fine. All I'm saying that a little bit more class wouldn't have hurt him.
I was agreeing with you and liked your statement and I think he needs a publicist for real.
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    03-28-2013, 07:33 PM
  #103
Trained
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Originally Posted by churumbeque    
My bet is the 25K is over inflated. It was a nice jesture but if the horse is worth that then sell it and give her 25K.
He offered her one of the horses he has raised and trained. $25K is probably pretty accurate, IMO-especially if it is one of his reining bred ones. $25K is not a lot for one of those, trained by him. Many times more than what I would spend on a horse, but some do.
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    03-28-2013, 07:33 PM
  #104
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Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
I still want to know what 'tied low and turned out to graze' means......we've established that CA probably could've held back a little on the down under thunder , we've established that the owner is a little kooky......I want to know what 'tied low and turned out to graze means'......
Haha anyone? There's so many ways to tie a horse up.....I want t now how he had this horse tied....someone suggested head tied to foot......really? What does that achieve????
     
    03-28-2013, 07:35 PM
  #105
Foal
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Originally Posted by churumbeque    
I was agreeing with you and liked your statement and I think he needs a publicist for real.
I definitely think he'd benefit from one.
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    03-28-2013, 07:38 PM
  #106
Green Broke
One of the things that has stuck with me in this post is that the horse was a Friesian.
Why would you send a Friesian to CA? When did this happen? Tying a black horse out in the sun could have killed it. They do not have strong hearts or stamina and they do not do well in the heat. They also bond with 1 person and training could have been very stressful for it. I think in this type of training scenerio they should not be left unattended. I am sure he has many interns or help that could over see the horse.
     
    03-28-2013, 07:41 PM
  #107
Green Broke
I think where as yes the owner sounds like your run of the mill dingbat horse owner, the horse dying at "horsey boot camp" sounds fishy to me. It sounds to me like the horse died as a result of brute force cowboy training methods.
I have seen clinton on tv and even when watched he gets a little rough, I can't imagine what happens behind closed doors at a facility that claims to turn around problem horses.
Im not a ca hater, I've watched him for years. Simply stating my observations.
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    03-28-2013, 07:41 PM
  #108
Foal
I had a horse die under my care. Owner- less than happy (to say the least). It caused ALOT of drama for me with things she had said (with absolutely no complaints previously in his care or treatment, and I check in regularly with anyone im working with to give them opportunity for complaints or any other thoughts) She DID have a vet out to investigate. The horse, though otherwise seemingly healthy, had a defect in its heart that wasn't outright noticeable. Nothing she, I or anyone else could have done about it. I don't have $25,000 dollar horses (short tall or otherwise) to offer her, but I did try my best to fix the situation. But, things got very nasty, very quickly on her part (and I can't say I was 100% polite when she started getting ugly, even though I DID sympathize with her). I also knew someone whose 6 month old filly snap it's own neck and still doesn't know how. I have had a horse die from mysterious reasons, though by no means quick. So, I can see where he's coming from.

As CA said, sometimes s*** happens. If she was incredibly concerned, she would have gotten the necropsy done. If she has the ability to send her horse to CA, I doubt she's lacking much in the finance department, even if he didn't offer to pay for it (which I don't see where he explicitly offered to).

Folks are not given enough information to judge the situation. (And, just as a side note, putting your horse on a diet is NOT enough to get them in shape, though, on the flip side, I would say almost 100% of the horses I've worked with were not in good physical shape to begin with, and it was part of my duty to not push their physical capabilities to the point of harming them)

I can see where people could use his training methods abusively. I don't see him as being abusive, and I doubt he'd put up with students who were. He is abrasive, yes. Rude? Most definitely. But, that doesn't make him evil or abusive I don't think.

Would I send my horse to the academy program? Most definitely not. Mostly because I'm a control freak. If I send a horse to a trainer, it would be where I could go to them at any point I desired, for whatever reason I desired (and I'm not so sure about that) regardless of how effective or how famous they are.

And, if I had ANY concerns whatsoever to begin with, I would have never sent them off. If I thought, for any reason, they were AT ALL responsible for the death of my horse, I would have investigated it further. If other people assumed it was mistreatment, I would have made sure to make people aware that it wasn't if I thought so.

It's just a lot of mudslinging with too many unknowns. Could have been anything (including but not limited to neglect or illness). Simply no way to tell.
     
    03-28-2013, 07:41 PM
  #109
Yearling
The most interesting part was she has plenty of pictures of her riding him. He looks calm and not the problem horse she describes.
     
    03-28-2013, 07:43 PM
  #110
Foal
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Originally Posted by churumbeque    
One of the things that has stuck with me in this post is that the horse was a Friesian.
Why would you send a Friesian to CA? When did this happen? Tying a black horse out in the sun could have killed it. They do not have strong hearts or stamina and they do not do well in the heat. They also bond with 1 person and training could have been very stressful for it. I think in this type of training scenerio they should not be left unattended. I am sure he has many interns or help that could over see the horse.
That's interesting.

Another thing that hasn't been really addressed here is the type of tie down the horse was in, and whether it should've been supervised in that tie.
     

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