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    03-29-2013, 04:21 AM
Horselessmom - Your statement is very good and very professional, but it's not IMO "personable" I wonder if he had put together a statement like that, if people would have argued about how (trying to word this!!) bland it is and how there was no passion behind it - so he obviously must not care too much. Alot of the trainers I know would very much proceed to put out something exactly the same. They horsemen not authors.

I don't see why he should give details of what actually happened. I completely agree with him that it is nobody's business, because it isn't. What happens with any horse in his care is between himself and the owner... why inform a person in another state/country what is happening - they aren't paying the training fees.

I can see why he is angry - I'm sure after the first 100 calls he was annoyed, another 100 he was fed up, keep going to 10,000 - I'd be like a bull.
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    03-29-2013, 04:52 AM
Originally Posted by churumbeque    
I think he could have worded it a bit more politely. Yes horses do die but I am curious as if the horse was tied with it's head down and why? I would probable have done a necropsy myself at my cost just to rule out anything suspicous.

That seems odd to leave a horse unattended if it were tied that way for a legitimate reason. If he has ridden Mindy for 15 years that means she is pushing 20 and I might not want to take a gift horse either.

LOL, he did *not* offer to give her Mindy! He would never get rid of that mare, she helped make his career. He was just using her as a height comparison. Anyone that turns down a free Signature horse is an idiot unless she is going to sue him, then it would make sense. The owner sounds like a lunatic. Saying that she was cutting back her horse's feed and sending him to a place where she was warned that the horses regularly die. She obviously has way more money than sense. I think the "horse's die" comment was made *after* the loss of the horse, this owner is such an idiot I would not trust a darn thing that comes out of her mouth.

I am not a huge CA fan, I have seen him a few times in person, and his training methods are fine and generally work well. This has nothing to do with CA. This has to do with an inexperiened, overhorsed, silly woman who really needs to find a different hobby.
    03-29-2013, 04:57 AM
You know, a someone who has worked in management trying to please people, I can see where individuals may be bothered by the lack of professionalism of CA's statement. It behooves someone running a business to not offend people...the bland "I'm sorry that happened to you" has rolled off of my tongue so often at the time when one of the scientists felt that my employee was driving too slow in front of him in the (MASSIVE EMPTY) parking lot on *purpose*...just so this person would be late for work...

But you know what? That kind of vanilla, political response is probably 90 percent of the time canned and FAKE. Do you really think that after 300 thousand calls, the customer service rep at the other side of the line REALLY cares that your item arrived dented after the mailman dropped it, or that you forgot to pay your bill on time because your dog ate it? NO! My point is, we as a society prefer the pretty lie over the truth.

CA would have been much safer had he stuck to the political response, but instead he chose to be himself, undedited instead of a business entity. We can choose to dislike his attitude and how he presents himself....but isn't it BETTER THAT WAY? Wouldn't you prefer to know what someone "really" thinks instead of the pretty lie they present to sell you something?

I prefer honesty.

And in that respect, something about the horse owner makes me uncomfortable. Why send your horse to a place that "kills horses"? Why starve your horse to improve its behavior before sending it to the abovementioned, presumably physically strenuous "boot camp" scenario? Why broadcast that mess all over facebook after the business did EVERYTHING IT COULD to make it up to you? Honestly, they gave her money back, they offered a reasonable replacement that she could have turned around and sold for something more of her own liking....

She turned down the necropsy....there's no way of knowing, because of that, what really happened to her horse...because of that, the business was under no obligation to refund a cent, or refund anything. A necropsy, after the cost of a darn Friesian and with respect to the REFUND THAT THEY GAVE HER, is a relatively cheap thing. Furthermore, had she been so inclined, a necropsy could have given her the information she needed to file suit, and demand replacement of her animal. Something is just off about the entire situation. I fully understand being upset at the sudden death of your animal, but creating drama all over the internet? *scratches head*. Is she just enjoying free publicity? I mean others mentioned that she, at one point, was breeding. Or perhaps she is just enjoying to some extent her ten minutes of (internet) fame....
    03-29-2013, 05:00 AM
Originally Posted by GamingGrrl    
I looked at the horses owners FB page, it's filled with fairy and unicorn and butterfly pictures. She also made several suspect posts about waiting to hear if her horse was still alive and then another post about waiting for "the call".
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OK, this just proves my above statement. The owner has no idea what life with horses is really like. She has the dough to by herself a fantasy black horsie but did not have the experience to handle the magical black horsie, so she sent him away to a very expensive wilderness training camp for naughty black stallions, knowing she might be sending him to a horrible death but she just had to risk it because the magical horsie needed to magical trainer to fix him, even if he came home withour a single hair on his body, the trainer would surely fix him.

Boy I am feeling b****y tonight.
    03-29-2013, 05:12 AM
It was an unfortunate thing that happened, but I don't think anyone was at fault. I think Clinton Anderson did everything he could to rectify the situation.

I really thought Clinton Anderson's comment about it was ridiculous and rude, though. He has been promoting himself, his training and his tools for years and has made a lot of fame and fortune by doing so. When you put yourself in the public eye like that, then your business isn't private anymore. The rant about how people need to mind their own business is inappropriate to me. I get that he is angry that people are speaking negatively about him and making false accusations. However, instead of throwing a tantrum and ranting away, it would have been more beneficial to him to make a calm, professional statement. He will still be racking in all that money when this is all said and done with and we all know it. I sure won't be throwing him a pity party. I think he needs to just put his big boy boots on and suck it up.
    03-29-2013, 05:25 AM
Originally Posted by sandy2u1    
I think he needs to just put his big boy boots on and suck it up.
Suck what up? Let's say that nothing was wrong from his side....imagine how it would feel to be accused of the things I'm sure he's getting accused of, even from looking at the posts here.

Imagine them being said to you....

Animal Abuser
Dishonest businessman

I'm sure that a person who is confident in themselves and the general "benevolence" of his fellow man can brush that off...

Tell me it doesn't hurt though. Tell me that deep down, an innocent guy (we're assuming) won't sit there and think..."wow, how can they even believe that mess?".

How many people jumped down his throat with the bad before he got upset enough to post what he posted? I can sympathize, really...sometimes, enough really IS enough.

The sad thing is, we as a society so often jump to the WORST possible conclusions, and seem to relish in the suffering and downfall of others. What does that say about us?
    03-29-2013, 05:43 AM
Ok I just went to that FB page, and it confirmed my suspicions that this person seems like a loon. There are pics of all these people riding, but none of them seem to be her. The idiotic pic of the person in the fairy costume makes me want to barf. It appears she lives in a fantasy world.

But the real issue is, I read the original post she wrote prior to sending her horse. Just as I suspected, nowhere did it say that CA told her that horses regularly die in his program. That is something that appears to have been added after the horse's death, probably based on CA saying that horses do die sometimes. That explains why someone would send their horse to someone that said their horses regularly die.....nobody would, it simply did not happen. She will be lucky if he does not sue her for libel, because she seems to be twisting his words to say that horses regularly die in his program, which could obviously hurt his business.
    03-29-2013, 06:14 AM
Green Broke
Shirley Roth and Cleve Wells both were known in WP circles as trainers who had horses die frequently. And known to be over the top cruel too.

And for years nothing was done. Not until last year was there anything done to them.

They aren't the only ones either. All disciplines have trainers like this, and many of them are the top trainers too.

And owner didn't go on rampage against CA, she was much nicer than I would have been.

His response? Pretty much shows what type of person he is I think.

And from what I've heard about his "academy" makes it sound like a concentration camp run by madman.

And sad to see that people, who would have been all over someone else that had done this to horse, will take up for this fool because he is CA. He messed up here, and is now angry that people are calling him out about it.

Don't want to be in the public eye? Don't put yourself out there.

And for whatever reason Texas girl/gal or whatever, you keep posting I shouldn't be writing this or that? What the hell is it to you what I write, or think?

You want to run CA up a flagpole and salute? Go for it, but I think he is an idiot, his response to this pretty much shows it.
    03-29-2013, 06:20 AM
Originally Posted by Palomine    
And sad to see that people, who would have been all over someone else that had done this to horse, will take up for this fool because he is CA. He messed up here, and is now angry that people are calling him out about it.

Don't want to be in the public eye? Don't put yourself out there.
I wouldn't know the man from Adam, so to speak. ;)

Haven't watched any videos, haven't heard the man speak.

I guess you haven't proven that he did MESS UP. Seems like he wasn't even there...

You do have a point about the second half. But just because someone is famous doesn't give us the right to presume that we know them, to backseat drive everything that they do and be in their business 24/7.
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    03-29-2013, 07:10 AM
Here is the contract that is agreed to in order to apply for a horse to be considered for this program. It is clear from the introductory statements regarding this program that it is a last ditch effort for horses that have been from trainer to trainer with no success. It is also very clear from this agreement that CA pulls no punches as to what to expect He is brutally honest, and, in fact, this agreement even includes a section where the horse owner agrees NOT TO BLOG about the horses progress. Interesting. I sure can see why he reacted like he did. I don't think he could have made things any clearer.

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Oh, and BTW-I am by no means a CA groupie. I use some of his methods, just as I use some of the methods of other horsemen, NH or not, that have something to offer. He can be a bit "rough around the edges", which puts some folks off. He certainly is NOT the smooth talker PP is.

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