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        03-29-2013, 12:01 PM
      #191
    Yearling
    I will start by saying I'm a person who has used CA methods and I like him. I'm not a follower or fan as I just use bits and pieces of his method. I trust his methods. I'm not into his "thinking side of the brain" stuff but I think most of his words have value and are helpful.

    I'm sorry that CA is being maligned on the internet. We all know examples of stories that have gone out of control on the internet. To be on the receiving end of that must be awful! And what makes me really feel bad is knowing how crazy some horse people can be. Horses seem to attract some of the most socially awkward and fanatical women (and a few men)on our planet. I'd feel bad for anyone in this fix.

    I bet this woman turning down CA's offer of a signature horse was especially irritating. I have heard CA talk about how Americans think they need bigger and bigger horses when a nice 14 hh horse is sufficient and easier to mount. I can just see him shaking his head on this one!

    This seems like another example of how the Internet can be used for wrong. If you are a trainer who uses forceful (not cruel) methods, then you are a horse killer. If you are a trainer that uses clicker training then you are an idiot softie who believes in unicorns and the pegasus.

    We just need to take a breath!
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        03-29-2013, 12:09 PM
      #192
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by demonwolfmoon    
    She turned down the necropsy....there's no way of knowing, because of that, what really happened to her horse..
    If she would have had a necropsy and they found it had a pre-existing condition or it was just a case of S*** Happens, then she would not be getting all the attention she is. It may have closed the case and the attention would stop. She may not have wanted that. This way she will always be able to say, .............................. maybe.............
         
        03-29-2013, 12:14 PM
      #193
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Palomine    
    Shirley Roth and Cleve Wells both were known in WP circles as trainers who had horses die frequently. And known to be over the top cruel too.

    And for years nothing was done. Not until last year was there anything done to them.

    They aren't the only ones either. All disciplines have trainers like this, and many of them are the top trainers too.

    And owner didn't go on rampage against CA, she was much nicer than I would have been.

    His response? Pretty much shows what type of person he is I think.

    And from what I've heard about his "academy" makes it sound like a concentration camp run by madman.

    And sad to see that people, who would have been all over someone else that had done this to horse, will take up for this fool because he is CA. He messed up here, and is now angry that people are calling him out about it.

    Don't want to be in the public eye? Don't put yourself out there.

    And for whatever reason Texas girl/gal or whatever, you keep posting I shouldn't be writing this or that? What the hell is it to you what I write, or think?

    You want to run CA up a flagpole and salute? Go for it, but I think he is an idiot, his response to this pretty much shows it.
    Again, what do you PERSONALLY have against CA? You're making your statements extremely personal by calling him a fool and an idiot.

    I'm not a fan of PP. I've had to fix a horse that was pretty much ruined by his methods. However, I don't go around bad-mouthing the man, jumping on every piece of negative rumor about his as though it were gospel truth, or call anyone who follows his methods an idiot. I will simply state that I do not like his methods. I don't make it personal, as the man has never done anything directly to me. Your posts, however, make it seem as though you have a personal vendetta against CA? Would you be this adamant if he was PP or Chris Cox or Buck Branaman, or any of the other big name trainers?
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        03-29-2013, 12:22 PM
      #194
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    Funny how there is no answer from Palomine as to why she seems to hate CA so much. Her comments are typical of the "feeding frenzy" I wrote about.
         
        03-29-2013, 12:27 PM
      #195
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by wyominggrandma    
    Funny how there is no answer from Palomine as to why she seems to hate CA so much. Her comments are typical of the "feeding frenzy" I wrote about.
    Exactly.
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        03-29-2013, 12:32 PM
      #196
    Yearling
    Well said, Drafty!
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        03-29-2013, 12:38 PM
      #197
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by wyominggrandma    
    Funny how there is no answer from Palomine as to why she seems to hate CA so much. Her comments are typical of the "feeding frenzy" I wrote about.
    Are you serious?
    DAM asked this question at 10:22 this morning and you posted this one hour later.
    She might work for a living!
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        03-29-2013, 12:41 PM
      #198
    Yearling
    This is just way out of hand now. There will NEVER be a clear answer as to what happened. The horse is DEAD, now BURIED at the ranch, don't mean to be so blunt, that's is one of the only things we really know. We can sit here and go through the owner of the horse and CA himself, but all in all noone will know. That is a hard answer to accept because it really isn't one, but we don't have a choice. That's what was decided no necropsy -- IMO that's final. As much as we can "attack" the owner and "attack" CA the issue IS between them.

    There are things on both sides I don't agree with -- both the way the horse owner has come off with her statements, her buisiness and the overall way she is with horses from what I've read and seen. While that's not enough evidence to some it sure paints a picture for me. Then CA as well I do think he could have been a bit more professional, but do see where he's coming from as well. Still going to have to side more with CA on this issue.

    I posted the statement from CA way back before Palomine posted it again. Don't know if you're not reading all the posts Palomine, but the attacks on CA aren't really warranted. Also, the general attitude of your comments and comparing them to things like the Holocaust that is definitley taking it too far. There is a debate going on here obviously, but your posts are personal from some reason. Lots of us just want to know WHY eventually?
         
        03-29-2013, 12:42 PM
      #199
    Started
    Excuse me, Taffy Clayton, but a bunch of people have asked this same question before me, HOURS before I QUOTED what was asked many many posts earlier.
    Oh, about the snarky comment"she might work for a living"..

    I work for a living also, 5 days a week.. I just happen to have the night shift today. Um, I also notice you are posting. Does that mean you are not working for a living?
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        03-29-2013, 01:13 PM
      #200
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    Originally Posted by wyominggrandma    
    Excuse me, Taffy Clayton, but a bunch of people have asked this same question before me, HOURS before I QUOTED what was asked many many posts earlier.
    Oh, about the snarky comment"she might work for a living"..

    I work for a living also, 5 days a week.. I just happen to have the night shift today. Um, I also notice you are posting. Does that mean you are not working for a living?
    You will have to show me where this question was asked to the OP before this morning, I went back 10 pages and didn't see it.

    As for, "working for a living", ie an 8 am to 5 pm job, with no personal access to a computer.
         

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