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    03-29-2013, 01:15 PM
  #201
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I am going to ask a question about all of this and I don't want to go back and read it all, I just remember reading about hobbling and how many folks wrote saying this and that: it was posted(not sure if from the original poster, from the horse owners facebook page,from CA's page), but it was posted about the horse being hobbled and how cruel it was, and that horse was found dead when whomever hobbled it returned. Posters mentioned how it was hobbled" head tied down to front foot, head tied down and left, horse hobbled and left to eat" To be honest, not sure what was posted what was comments what actually happened.
BUT,to the folks who are sure that CA or his trainer, hobbled the horse, left it unattended and that is why it died, have any of you actually ever driven through a REAL country farm/ranching/hunting area and seen horses tied up and left to graze for all day or all night? I have seen outfitters hobble one or two horses by their front legs and the whole herd is turned out at night to graze. The hobbled horses keep the rest of the horses from leaving the "lead" horses. Nobody is watching them, they are left to eat and graze. I have seen horses left for the day tied to a fence by a front leg or by a halter beside a busy highway and left to graze. I have seen horses hobbled by a front leg tied to a back leg and left to graze. I have seen the sheepherders hobble a horse and they are turned loose to move and graze. Nobody is standing by watching them graze, for hours and hours.
This is a typical way some feed their horses grass.. Do I think its a good idea? No because so many things can and do happen while horse or horses are left to eat this way. But, it does occur all the time in the USA and nobody stops and tells a rancher/farmer/outfitter that its cruel. Nobody knows if a horse dies because it falls and breaks it neck, because it falls over dead from whatever reason and there it is laying dead whether two hours later or 12 hours later. They just take away the horse and bury it.
This whole situation is being carried over the internet and numerous forums and facebook because the OWNER of the horse stated her upset and it was taken from there. Sure she had the right to be upset, but if anyone actually reads what is written on CA's site about this program and any of his training, on ANY trainers page about training, what happens, what can happen to the horse, how ACCIDENTS happen, then there is no point in pointing fingers.
Anyone who has or has had animals that die unexpectantly wants to blame someone, anyone for their upset and pain. Its the feeding frenzy that keeps the blame going.
I think its sad that this happened, but I bet if you check references on ANY famous trainer, or any backyard trainer, horses die and they are blamed for it.
     
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    03-29-2013, 01:18 PM
  #202
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. I wrote that she did not answer and she hasn't. Are you really going to try and drag this out?
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    03-29-2013, 01:19 PM
  #203
Banned
Oh I have no issue with hobbling at all.....I was curious as to what kind of hobbling 'low tied' was and as I have researched its tying the head to the front foot, not a hobbling technique I have ever seen, nor one I'd like to use. Seems like a wreck waiting to happen.
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    03-29-2013, 01:24 PM
  #204
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That is why I was asking. I never saw an exact explanation of what or how the horse was tied or hobbled. Just what I saw about "head being tied low" or howver it was worded. Just curious.
     
    03-29-2013, 01:42 PM
  #205
Green Broke
I answered your question since you are so adament that people do so.
Nice edit, adding that second sentence.
     
    03-29-2013, 01:54 PM
  #206
Showing
Taffy Clayton, if you look, Palomine posted in this thread after I asked the first time what kind of beef s/he has with CA and s/he didn't respond, but rather continued to bad-mouth CA (and anyone who likes his methods)...in fact, the bad-mouthing *got worse* after I asked.
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    03-29-2013, 02:29 PM
  #207
Yearling
For future reference, I've noticed the OP tends to find "shock" stories, post them, act as though she knows all the facts, and jump to conclusions without knowing all the info.

Horse abuser in WI.
Horses chased to death in Texas. August 27, 2012.

Chicken Little anyone??
     
    03-29-2013, 02:51 PM
  #208
Trained
Wow, 21 pages of drama......

My point of view:
Im not a fan of CA, because I wasn't too impressed of what his methods produced used by some of his followers, but I'll give him the benefit if the doubt, knowing it wasn't him doing it.
Reading the description of the program: 500$ non-refundable payment upon application" and " no guarantee that your horse will he accepted" or " will be eligible" and that the training is being done by his trainees, who, I would think, but correct me if I'm wrong, pay for their training too.
His statement: straight from the heart, but totally unprofessional.
The horse owner: likes medieval things, got herself a Frisian, couldn't ride it and screwed it up. Slimming him down was a necessity, according to his pic on her website, or he would have collapsed in his first training session. The "boot camp" phrase is actually CA's expression, and would have stopped me right there from bringing a horse to him, if I would have been able to accept all what I mentioned above.

What happened can be only seen as an unfortunate accident, since she didn't agree to a necropsy.
CA did what he could to reimburse her, she didn't take the horse probably because it wasn't medieval enough.
She could have posted on FB, stating horse died in tragic accident and leave it at that.

And honestly, if I would have been talked about like that, I would have dug up the horse and had that necropsy done. And, provided it wasn't anybody's fault, would happily sue her.
     
    03-29-2013, 03:06 PM
  #209
Banned
I agree DHW.....also just to add, who says she even has to post it on FB?? IMO far too much crap is posted on FB and people are clueless to how that info is used. I don't post all my drama on FB for the world to see because A. I'm not a drama queen 2. I don't need to explain myself to anyone 3. I don't need my a** to be patted by all my so called 'friends' 4. No one cares what I had for dinner!

If I have tragedy or drama in my life I share it with people who actually care, the people who actually call me or visit me. My ego doesn't need boosting by how many friends I have on FB and how many times I change my status in one day.

The owner of this horse is creating her own drama and just wants the attention....FB is definitely a place to find attention.
     
    03-29-2013, 03:09 PM
  #210
Trained
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Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
I agree DHW.....also just to add, who says she even has to post it on FB?? IMO far too much crap is posted on FB and people are clueless to how that info is used. I don't post all my drama on FB for the world to see because A. I'm not a drama queen 2. I don't need to explain myself to anyone 3. I don't need my a** to be patted by all my so called 'friends' 4. No one cares what I had for dinner!

If I have tragedy or drama in my life I share it with people who actually care, the people who actually call me or visit me. My ego doesn't need boosting by how many friends I have on FB and how many times I change my status in one day.

The owner of this horse is creating her own drama and just wants the attention....FB is definitely a place to find attention.
This is exactly why I don't do FB
     

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