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post #221 of 408 Old 03-29-2013, 04:37 PM
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I can't offer an opinion about the death of the horse....because I don't know what caused it.

I can't offer an opinion of the training center or its reputation....because I know nothing about it.

I can't offer an opinion of the owner.....because I refuse to let facebook make me think I now completely know someone.


I know very little about CA and his methods.

BUT, what I can offer an opinion of (and have) is what is right before me, written in his own hand, evidently. His answer to the whole thing. THAT I see. It absolutely reminds me of similar rude rants posted by another "trainer" whose very mention is forbidden here. Very similar......
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Palomine, I was in agreement with Drafy's comment about not making personal comments about others, refraining from personal attacks. I believe we should talk about important issues in the horse world. But I choose to honor all, even those not present. I didn't mean to speak only to you either. I was talking about anyone who insults others in our forum. In my house, saying someone is stupid is an insult.

I will add that if you have ever worked in the public eye, and some of us must do so in the line of our duties, you must know that stories get twisted and people often get painted unfairly, especially when there are only a few of the many facts that are known. And sometimes criminals get away with evil acts and, because all facts aren't known, they not only get away with it but others think they are fine upstanding people. That is the way the world has been, is now, and probably will be.

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I don't feel CA's response was anything like the "trainer who's name can't be mentioned.." --- he offered her a $25000 horse, he has talked to her on 3 occasions to attempt to fix the problem --- he did say others without a working knowledge of the situation should keep out and shut up...he didn't "ban" anyone from anything and he didn't say if you don't agree with me then you are stupid, etc. He was blunt and a bit on the defense, but I ask, wouldn't you be?

I don't follow his method, I do, however, use some of his techniques mixed in with my own, and some of Craig Cameron's to start and train horses...
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post #224 of 408 Old 03-29-2013, 05:17 PM
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hmm, I think everyone should read about the program that the link was posted. What the owner wrote goes in direct conflict of the pre boot camp instructions. Makes me think there is alot more questionable truth of the story from the owner, wonder what else she is withholding: from the owners own words: I've been getting him ready by cutting way back on his feed and hay. And he is slimming down and his naughty energy is a tiny bit reduced yet, this is directly from the Academy information page:"While we ask that you don’t work with your horse prior to training, to best ensure he leaves the ranch in good weight, we encourage you to generously feed him before dropping him off at the ranch. Due to the program’s intensity, it is best if the horse is fleshy and a little fat coming into the program. If you’ve underfed your horse and he’s skinny, he’ll have a much harder time gaining weight while in training. Remember, horses are worked six days a week, for at least two hours a day. While your horse will certainly be fed a high quality forage and grain, he’ll burn a lot of calories during training. If the horse comes into the program a little fat, by the end of the 6-week course, he’ll have a perfect body condition score and be in good weight."


Hmm, maybe the owner needs to be more truthful, since she obviously did something before she even sent the horse away... Maybe she knows more than she is saying, maybe she knows exactly what happened, but the real truth doesn't make for good reading or "feel sorry for me" information.
As I stated before, I don't have anything for or against CA.. Trainers train based on what works for them. I feel his letter, though a bit "hot" is his right. Plus, it was posted on HIS page, he has the right to write as he wants.But in typical "feeding frenzy" on the internet and different forums, even his letter is being judged. The conversation between the owner and CA was between them and if it had been left between them all this would be a moot point. But, the owner chose to keep the "frenzy" going by her posts and CA or any trainer has the right to say what he/she needs to to inform the public Frenzy Feeders his side.
On her web site her horse was more than a little plump. She is feeding it too much especially for a horse not getting any exercise. I don't think the woman has even said much about the horse dying and nothing disparaging. It is people on forums like this that are making a big deal about it.
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I know Clinton's response was angry. He should have been more professional. However, I have gotten upset before and lost my temper when unjustly attacked.. If there was any suspicion on the part of the owner, then why not investigate? Instead, no investigation, just insinuation.
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I don't feel CA's response was anything like the "trainer who's name can't be mentioned.." --- he offered her a $25000 horse, he has talked to her on 3 occasions to attempt to fix the problem --- he did say others without a working knowledge of the situation should keep out and shut up...he didn't "ban" anyone from anything and he didn't say if you don't agree with me then you are stupid, etc. He was blunt and a bit on the defense, but I ask, wouldn't you be?

I don't follow his method, I do, however, use some of his techniques mixed in with my own, and some of Craig Cameron's to start and train horses...
Ok I'll ask. Why is there a trainer that we can't mantion? Hpw would I know not to menttion his name?
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And more than likely he threatened owner too, with being sued.
That is a very big, bold statement for a third party to make. How on Earth would. You know if he "threatened" the owner with being sued?


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That is a very big, bold statement for a third party to make. How on Earth would. You know if he "threatened" the owner with being sued?
Pretty sure Palomine only made that insuation because she doesn't like CA and not only thinks he's a fool, but a snake oil salesman, so why not add "sue-happy" and/or "threatening" to that illustrious résumé?
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For future reference, I've noticed the OP tends to find "shock" stories, post them, act as though she knows all the facts, and jump to conclusions without knowing all the info.

Horse abuser in WI.
Horses chased to death in Texas. August 27, 2012.

Chicken Little anyone??
Ohhhhhhh all starting to make sense. Was wondering why she had posted this:

Barn manager's daugher terribly rude

Suggesting that the OP's (who is having BO problems) horse may be killed, poisoned, or her tack tampered with.
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Oh drama, I thought I escaped when I decided to start homeschooling in high school.
I guess not.

We don't know what happened. At all. I am sure none of us were there, therefore we can't really say who is right or wrong. Though, with all the posts on FB and CA website, I still feel like this is all for drama or publicity. I mean she is a breeder. If she didn't want the horse for herself personally she could have sold it. Second, the thing about her not wanting a QH, If you look on her website of "their horses" she has a QH, TWH, draft and a friesian. So I really don't even know what to believe anymore. I just really wish I could have some straight facts.

I may seem small, but if you mess with my horse, I will break out a level of crazy that will make your nightmares seem like a happy place.
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