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post #251 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 10:39 AM
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anyone else having problems finding the statement on CA's website?
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It's gone. Came down yesterday.
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post #253 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 10:40 AM
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I used to be a dog trainer. When we took dogs for 2, 4, or 6 week periods to do intensive training with they would be doing something with a trainer for AT LEAST 2 hours a day, if not more. Whether it be handling, walking, obedience training, socialization, etc. we did not allow owners to come visit their dog during that time. It honestly could make the dogs anxious, especially if they were feeding off of their owners emotions. We did not do it because we had something to hide, we did it because it was better for their training to have consistent people handling them at all times.

We only let the owner(s) come pick the dog up. Its really no one elses business !

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post #254 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 10:59 AM
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I'm surprised by everyone caught up on girth galls. They happen - especially on out of shape horses. I know from personal experience that we can ride 2-3 hour trail rides and never have a girth gall, but the first serious ride that lasts longer and includes fast gaits and more serious steep hills - at least one of our horses will get a gall. The rounder and fluffier the horse the horse the more likely it is to happen.

I can only imagine what trainers taking on spoiled horses who don't know the meaning of work have happen the first time seriously asked to move out.

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post #255 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 11:01 AM
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anyone else having problems finding the statement on CA's website?
I figured that he would have taken it down. Like I said he should have wrote it and slept on it before posting it. I think he wrote that as a knee jerk reaction, but should have stepped back, took a few breaths and proceeded when he was calm about it.
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post #256 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 11:09 AM
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i used to be a dog trainer. When we took dogs for 2, 4, or 6 week periods to do intensive training with they would be doing something with a trainer for AT LEAST 2 hours a day, if not more. Whether it be handling, walking, obedience training, socialization, etc. we did not allow owners to come visit their dog during that time. It honestly could make the dogs anxious, especially if they were feeding off of their owners emotions. We did not do it because we had something to hide, we did it because it was better for their training to have consistent people handling them at all times.

We only let the owner(s) come pick the dog up. Its really no one elses business !
And that's the way YOU choose to run your operation. Personally, I would NEVER use a trainer that DID NOT allow be to go see my horse. It's my horse, I have a LOT of money invested in my horse....you bet your a*ss I want to see him.
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post #257 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 11:14 AM
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You can't just get a necropsy on someone else's horse. If she refused, what is he supposed to do? That alone would be a basis for a law suit.
Of course you can.

While I have never had a horse in training die on me, I know other trainers who have. They ALWAYS had a necropsy done, so that they could tell the owner whatever they could. I can't even imagine not doing that, for no other reason than CYI. Not doing it fueled my suspicions.

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post #258 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 11:15 AM
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And that's the way YOU choose to run your operation. Personally, I would NEVER use a trainer that DID NOT allow be to go see my horse. It's my horse, I have a LOT of money invested in my horse....you bet your a*ss I want to see him.
Well, yes - that is the way she and other trainers can choose to run their business and the beauty of it is they tell you up front so you can pick a trainer with policies that you are comfortable with. But I think the point was those policies aren't exactly rare among trainers and thus does not automatically mean something wrong is going on. She just explained nicely why some trainers prefer policies like that.

Personally I also would not send my horse someplace I could not check up on him and get regular updates. But I'm not automatically suspicious of trainers who have policies I do not agree with either.
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Of course you can.

While I have never had a horse in training die on me, I know other trainers who have. They ALWAYS had a necropsy done, so that they could tell the owner whatever they could. I can't even imagine not doing that, for no other reason than CYI. Not doing it fueled my suspicions.

As a trainer, the horse is in your care and is YOUR responsibility.
That is a dangerous line they are walking if they do it without owner's permission unless they have it outlined in the contract that they will do one if anything should happen to the horse. The horse may be in their care but they are not the owners. Many owners would be fine wit it - but it only takes one to decide to sue over it.
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...I would NEVER use a trainer that DID NOT allow be to go see my horse...
But then, you aren't the sort who would go to a TV trainer to begin with. The local trainer I've hired before wanted the owner there, but she isn't a TV personality. She doesn't care if you figure out a lot of what she does is pretty normal horse training. And she doesn't have to worry about 300 people showing up BECAUSE she is a TV trainer.

I can't imagine sending my horse to a TV trainer, and my horses are light-years below what you deal with. And if it is described as a "boot camp", then the target customer is someone who doesn't know squat about training horses. Someone sending their horse to CA is paying for the TV fame, not for good training. IMHO.

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