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post #261 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 11:22 AM
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That is a dangerous line they are walking if they do it without owner's permission unless they have it outlined in the contract that they will do one if anything should happen to the horse. The horse may be in their care but they are not the owners. Many owners would be fine wit it - but it only takes one to decide to sue over it.
If they have nothing to hide, what is dangerous about it?

With humans, if there is anything suspicious about a death, the medical examiner mandates an autopsy. People would be able to hide all manner of murder if not. Trainers too.....
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post #262 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 11:28 AM
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Its still a medical procedure on someone else's horse. There are laws against that - that is why its dangerous. A lot of vets would not do it without the expressed permission from the owner. And yes - human laws are different than animal laws since we are not "property". That horse was someone else's property and the owner of said property said no.

I just don't understand how its CA who has something to hide when its the owner who refused it?

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I asked my husband, a DVM, if a trainer brought in a dead horse or dog and asked you to do a necropsy, would he do it? He did say no. I said the animal is dead who cares, he still said no, not without owners permission, no matter who is paying.

However with all the disclamers and warnings and secrecy at the CA facility, you would think that in the contract it would discuss a necropsy possablity, and to get permission ahead of time. He seems to want to cover his A in every other way around the farm.

I would never take any animal of mine to any training facility if I was not able to walk on the premises at any time I chose, although I have always called first and was always told fine.
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thanks for clearing that up Taffy Clayton.
I would never send a horse to be trained if I could not have access to the animal at all times.
CA has a lot of devotees that would probably show up and interupt the work and disrupt the training sessions. I could see why there would be a no visitor policy. You probably have to go thru a manned or electronic gate to access the inside of the ranch. Shalom
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If you are doing nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, why not allow people to check on their valuable livestock? Why insist they show up alone?
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I have not read all replys but will just say...I think his statement said it all...
AND I would have taken the horse offered.
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Well, yes - that is the way she and other trainers can choose to run their business and the beauty of it is they tell you up front so you can pick a trainer with policies that you are comfortable with. But I think the point was those policies aren't exactly rare among trainers and thus does not automatically mean something wrong is going on. She just explained nicely why some trainers prefer policies like that.

Personally I also would not send my horse someplace I could not check up on him and get regular updates. But I'm not automatically suspicious of trainers who have policies I do not agree with either.
It certainly is rare in my neck of the woods and the AQHA circuit I show on. I don't know any trainer....amongst the MANY I know across the country that has this policy....none.
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But then, you aren't the sort who would go to a TV trainer to begin with. The local trainer I've hired before wanted the owner there, but she isn't a TV personality. She doesn't care if you figure out a lot of what she does is pretty normal horse training. And she doesn't have to worry about 300 people showing up BECAUSE she is a TV trainer.

I can't imagine sending my horse to a TV trainer, and my horses are light-years below what you deal with. And if it is described as a "boot camp", then the target customer is someone who doesn't know squat about training horses. Someone sending their horse to CA is paying for the TV fame, not for good training. IMHO.

Love this post! I think people are drawn to his name and his TV stardom and that's why they send their horses there...because they can say that their horse went to CA's farm....whoop de doo. But the reality is....the 6 six week program price is totally ridiculous...and it ridiculous for the fact that it's HIS place with HIS name on it, and HIS students do all the work. For that amount of money...I don't want a student touching my horse!!! I want the real deal.
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But for the average trainer, only clients are going to show up. For Clinton, every single fangirl within a 500 mile radius is going to be showing up. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't allow people on the property. Try to train a horse with a crowd of strangers interfering and trying to talk to you about how Fluffy is doing so well on your methods. Even if its not Clinton but other trainers that work under him/for him, people will show up, fangirl, and generally be a nuisance. He's a celebrity, not exclusively a trainer.
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I called my friend who took her horse to Josh Lyons, down in TN, I asked her if Lyons had a similar policy as CA, as to no availability to her horse. She said no, on the contrary, she was encouraged to come down and take some lessons while her horse was there. And as for picking up or dropping the horse off at the ranch, there were no restrictions what so ever.

I can see restrictions to the general public, of course, but restricted access of an owner, never heard of it before. At the very most there could be a call before you arrive policy, and you won't get a private guided tour, but you can see your horse.

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