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        03-30-2013, 03:11 PM
      #271
    Green Broke
    One other thing that has been bugging me. I keep seeing everyone mentioning the "$25k horse" that he was going to give her. IMO, its only a $25k horse because he slapped his name on it. That same horse trained by a non-famous trainer to do the same things, might very well only sell for a fraction of that in this economy. He doesn't specialize in a specific show category that makes these horses worth that kind of money. These are just plain old all-around pleasure type horses. If people are willing to pay that kind of money to him just for his name, then great, but what if she HAD accepted the horse, and then found she couldn't get more than a couple thousand for it at best, and was then having to pay its upkeep in the meantime, while trying to find a buyer for a horse she didn't want and didn't need? I might also add, this video describing the Signature horses states very plainly that they are trained by his clinicians, not by himself. Its very likely he had not laid a hand on the horse he was offering her.

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        03-30-2013, 03:14 PM
      #272
    Yearling
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    But for the average trainer, only clients are going to show up. For Clinton, every single fangirl within a 500 mile radius is going to be showing up. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't allow people on the property. Try to train a horse with a crowd of strangers interfering and trying to talk to you about how Fluffy is doing so well on your methods. Even if its not Clinton but other trainers that work under him/for him, people will show up, fangirl, and generally be a nuisance. He's a celebrity, not exclusively a trainer.
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    My point is....if I sent a horse there...I'm not just some "people"....I'm the horse owner! Oh...and he does train horses with a crowd of strangers...it's called one of his clinics....LOL. That's probably the ONLY time he does training.
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        03-30-2013, 03:24 PM
      #273
    Yearling
    No need to get snippy
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        03-30-2013, 03:34 PM
      #274
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
    My point is....if I sent a horse there...I'm not just some "people"....I'm the horse owner! Oh...and he does train horses with a crowd of strangers...it's called one of his clinics....LOL. That's probably the ONLY time he does training.
    Amen! Lol
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        03-30-2013, 03:41 PM
      #275
    Yearling
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    No need to get snippy
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    Not being snippy...just being realistic...that's all. But being a celebrity or TV trainer as BSMS so aptly said...comes with a price....a HUGE one and you best be prepared to pay that price. Is it right that celebrities have to deal with this? Well no, but it's the job description and it will NEVER change....and they know it going in. And I honestly feel like that is why people shell out far too much money to send a horse to his boot camp...it's the WHOLE celebrity attached to it. When down the road, is some REAL trainer that rides these rank ones ON A DAILY BASIS....for a price that doesn't require a second mortage on the house. And they have their OWN hands on....not students....LOL.
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        03-30-2013, 04:10 PM
      #276
    Started
    The trainer I work for allows visits, if previously planned and organised, drop in visits are not at all tolerated and we always like to know exactly how many people we are catering for. We have about 100 horses riding out every day - could you imagine the chaos that would ensue if several groups turned up at the same time wanting to see their horse work? In a large establishment, routine is everything. If there is a hitch in the daily schedule, it throws the entire yard off, not just that one horse.

    As to is reasoning behind not allowing other visitors, I don't know. Maybe it is due to time restrictions, maybe it is for security purposes? If I owned a large yard I wouldn't want random people wandering around - I say there is plenty of tack there that is worth a pretty penny... and then you'd probably find some animal rights nutso who wants to have a hissy fit because ol Teddy in the stall on the right is resting his leg - and in nutso's head the leg is obviously broken.

    The girth galls thing - I've seen them on riding school ponies. I've seen it on hunters. Over the years I've seen it on all shapes and sizes. These things happen, it is not something that only pertains to CA, so I'm not quite sure why it is adding fuel to the fire. This is getting to the point where it's just a witch hunt where people are feeling the need to throw everything at the kitchen sink at him. You can't really compare CA to the everyday trainer down the road - if this happened to that trainer would this even be up for discussion at the moment?
         
        03-30-2013, 04:14 PM
      #277
    Yearling
    [QUOTE=Maple;2075529]The trainer I work for allows visits, if previously planned and organised, drop in visits are not at all tolerated and we always like to know exactly how many people we are catering for. We have about 100 horses riding out every day - could you imagine the chaos that would ensue if several groups turned up at the same time wanting to see their horse work? In a large establishment, routine is everything. If there is a hitch in the daily schedule, it throws the entire yard off, not just that one horse.

    As to is reasoning behind not allowing other visitors, I don't know. Maybe it is due to time restrictions, maybe it is for security purposes? If I owned a large yard I wouldn't want random people wandering around - I say there is plenty of tack there that is worth a pretty penny... and then you'd probably find some animal rights nutso who wants to have a hissy fit because ol Teddy in the stall on the right is resting his leg - and in nutso's head the leg is obviously broken.

    The girth galls thing - I've seen them on riding school ponies. I've seen it on hunters. Over the years I've seen it on all shapes and sizes. These things happen, it is not something that only pertains to CA, so I'm not quite sure why it is adding fuel to the fire. This is getting to the point where it's just a witch hunt where people are feeling the need to throw everything at the kitchen sink at him. You can't really compare CA to the everyday trainer down the road - if this happened to that trainer would this even be up for discussion at the moment?[/QUOTE]

    Who's talking about random people here? No one is talking about randome people...we're talking about horse owners!

    Like I stated earlier....for me, its the man and his methods I don't like. If you are going to be a TV trainer like he is, then YOU have chosen to be in the public and deal with the public. Take a course in human behavior or sociology or something to enhance your people skills, because what he does...does involve the public! It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out. He needs to put his friggin ego in his back pocket, learn how to train horses to work off his leg instead of his hand...and it's all good.
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        03-30-2013, 04:19 PM
      #278
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by apachiedragon    
    One other thing that has been bugging me. I keep seeing everyone mentioning the "$25k horse" that he was going to give her. IMO, its only a $25k horse because he slapped his name on it. That same horse trained by a non-famous trainer to do the same things, might very well only sell for a fraction of that in this economy. He doesn't specialize in a specific show category that makes these horses worth that kind of money. These are just plain old all-around pleasure type horses. If people are willing to pay that kind of money to him just for his name, then great, but what if she HAD accepted the horse, and then found she couldn't get more than a couple thousand for it at best, and was then having to pay its upkeep in the meantime, while trying to find a buyer for a horse she didn't want and didn't need? I might also add, this video describing the Signature horses states very plainly that they are trained by his clinicians, not by himself. Its very likely he had not laid a hand on the horse he was offering her.

    Clinton Anderson's Signature Horse.mov - YouTube
    I saw that vid and if someone pays $25K for that horse, they are nuts. If that is the example of a $25K horse, I've got some nice swamp land in Alabama that you could put condos on for sale.
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        03-30-2013, 04:35 PM
      #279
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Maple    
    The trainer I work for allows visits, if previously planned and organised, drop in visits are not at all tolerated and we always like to know exactly how many people we are catering for. We have about 100 horses riding out every day - could you imagine the chaos that would ensue if several groups turned up at the same time wanting to see their horse work? In a large establishment, routine is everything. If there is a hitch in the daily schedule, it throws the entire yard off, not just that one horse.

    As to is reasoning behind not allowing other visitors, I don't know. Maybe it is due to time restrictions, maybe it is for security purposes? If I owned a large yard I wouldn't want random people wandering around - I say there is plenty of tack there that is worth a pretty penny... and then you'd probably find some animal rights nutso who wants to have a hissy fit because ol Teddy in the stall on the right is resting his leg - and in nutso's head the leg is obviously broken.

    The girth galls thing - I've seen them on riding school ponies. I've seen it on hunters. Over the years I've seen it on all shapes and sizes. These things happen, it is not something that only pertains to CA, so I'm not quite sure why it is adding fuel to the fire. This is getting to the point where it's just a witch hunt where people are feeling the need to throw everything at the kitchen sink at him. You can't really compare CA to the everyday trainer down the road - if this happened to that trainer would this even be up for discussion at the moment?
    Forgot to ask...why can't you compare him???? What, just because the trainer down the road doesn't have a microphone headset, someone to put on makeup before he hits the camera for his vids, and doesn't have a spotlight in his arena to "showcase" his act? No...you can't compare them because the trainer down the road ACTUALLY does something on a daily basis with hands on training, instead of checking his stock portfolio, or checking out his fan pages, or wondering when he's hitting the road for his next circus show and who's going to pick him up.
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        03-30-2013, 04:39 PM
      #280
    Yearling
    And just for the record, I have NO USE for ANY of the TV trainers.....any of them. Whatever happened to actually swinging a leg over and training one. There is no money in it....when you can take your "show" on the road, peddle wares, think of fancy names for inanimate objects to poke and prod your horse into submission, or cutsey games to play with your horse. FCS, just ride already....

    And ya'll call the owner of the Friesian a nut job living in Wonderland??? LOLOLOL
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