Horse killed at CA's in TX? - Page 30 - The Horse Forum

 1492Likes
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #291 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 04:30 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: southern Arizona
Posts: 8,958
• Horses: 4
I don't mind if CA charges and gets 25K for a horse, or whatever he can get for having his students train them. I wouldn't mind having 1/10 the salesman skills he has. And I agree that people can pay whatever they want.

However, I came across HF when doing web searches for a variety of horse riding and training issues. For months before I was a member, I'd read threads that came up in a search engine. Other horse forums also exist and give advice, but I decided to join THIS one because so many of the threads included level-headed advice.

My comment about learning to ride comes from personal experience. I bought Mia who was "perfect for a beginner", and she wasn't. Trying to learn to ride on her made her worse, and it reached the point of being dangerous. When I went to talk to the trainer who had worked with Trooper, I think she was pleasantly surprised when, after describing my problem, I asked for a recommendation for someone to teach me how to ride. "6-9 months from now, if my riding is better, then I'd like you to start work with Mia..."

Turned out it was 8 months. But without serious work on MY RIDING, no training was going to help Mia. Because MY RIDING was a big factor in HER problems. Not all of it, by any means. She'll always be a high-strung horse who seems to enjoy scaring herself. But a bad rider can ruin a good horse pretty fast. If the rider is leaning back when her horse needs to go up a steep grade, then someone needs to help her with her riding BEFORE she sinks $25K into a horse that may be ruined. Or even $1200, like I spent on Mia.

I don't enjoy confessing to stupidity and lack of ability. However, if there is even one old fart lurker who is about to do what I did, and who decides to take riding lessons FIRST...it will be worth it. Since CA showed a video about his Signature Horses that, IMHO, revealed a rider in need of lessons, I'm guessing he won't turn down $25,000 and insist they learn to ride better first. Maybe they will read it here, instead.

"People can teach us the rules, but only horses can teach us the art of riding."
bsms is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #292 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 05:52 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Desert from Hell, CA.
Posts: 1,377
• Horses: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by GamingGrrl View Post
But for the average trainer, only clients are going to show up. For Clinton, every single fangirl within a 500 mile radius is going to be showing up. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't allow people on the property. Try to train a horse with a crowd of strangers interfering and trying to talk to you about how Fluffy is doing so well on your methods. Even if its not Clinton but other trainers that work under him/for him, people will show up, fangirl, and generally be a nuisance. He's a celebrity, not exclusively a trainer.
Posted via Mobile Device
This. I worked as Security management for a long time, and you'd be surprised how OBNOXIOUS certain (entitled) people behave!!! My god, I've even had to call the police on people refusing to leave private property after being warned that they were trespassing, and wait for the police to escort them off, all while cursing me out and calling me ugly in foreign languages...

Imagine if I was a famous person handling that! Anything I did "wrong" to this entitled individual would be ALL OVER THE INTERWEBS!

I am no fangirl, like I said, I don't know a thing about CA except for that he's famous with horsepeople....but I can see why some of these rules are in place. Other people would too, if they took the time to puzzle out the possibilities....
doubleopi and horsecrazygirl like this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jareth, the Goblin King
I move the stars for no one.
RIP Pumpkin: 2012-8/26/13
demonwolfmoon is offline  
post #293 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 07:49 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 22
• Horses: 0
"No vet would ever ask me "is this your horse?"

Unless you have a signed and notarized authorization for treatment, your vet is looking to get sued, as are you. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it can't.
RunWalk is offline  
post #294 of 408 Old 03-30-2013, 10:02 PM
Started
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 2,044
• Horses: 2
It happens alot, vets gets sued everyday for doing this exact thing.We can't even give information on an animal shots, illness, vaccinations, etc, unless we have the owners consent.If you are taking care of someones critters and the animal gets hurt, if you take animal into vet or have vet out, legally the vet can't treat the animal without owners consent. IF the vet does treat animal for something, the owner can sue and will win in court.
I am sure some vets do this for clients they trust, doing autopsys for a dead animal that you are taking care of, treating an animal for the injury, etc. without the owners specific verbal okay, and maybe each state is different.
Also, without an owners consent, a HUGE vet bill could be reached and if the vet did not get specific confirmation from an owner to treat or whatever for their animal, the vet can lose lots of money, since the owner never consented to pay for the work done.
wyominggrandma is offline  
post #295 of 408 Old 03-31-2013, 05:41 PM
Foal
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Pine Grove Pa
Posts: 6
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by GamingGrrl View Post
I looked at the horses owners FB page, it's filled with fairy and unicorn and butterfly pictures. She also made several suspect posts about waiting to hear if her horse was still alive and then another post about waiting for "the call".
Posted via Mobile Device

This horse may have had a previous condition that the owner knew of, and just used CA to cause a scandal, and make trouble
CronesHubby likes this.
rocelynwalker is offline  
post #296 of 408 Old 03-31-2013, 06:56 PM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: SW UK
Posts: 9,828
• Horses: 0
I have trained horses for nigh on 50 years. When I was very involved in the racing industry I had the reputation of making good sensible horses from highly neurotic horses.
During this time I have never had a horse die on me because of the way it was being trained.

I am not a fan of either Parelli nor CA - there is a lot wrong with the way they train and in my never humble opinion they can be very muddling for the animal.

Sure thing that any horse can have an aneurism and drop dead but to low tie a horse and leve it to graze is something that I would never do.

I would have wanted someone to look at the cause of death. A broken neck is easy to see as is the place where an aneurism occurred.
Foxhunter is offline  
post #297 of 408 Old 03-31-2013, 06:59 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: left of center
Posts: 7,083
• Horses: 2
Foxhunter-just curious-how do you SEE an aneurysm? Sure can't in people, and I question that you can in horses.

I also would clarify, that there is no proof that this horse dies as a result of the way it was being trained. You insinuated otherwise in the beginning of your post.

Signature undergoing edits. Please standby.......
franknbeans is offline  
post #298 of 408 Old 03-31-2013, 07:07 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 3,712
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by franknbeans View Post
Foxhunter-just curious-how do you SEE an aneurysm? Sure can't in people, and I question that you can in horses.

I also would clarify, that there is no proof that this horse dies as a result of the way it was being trained. You insinuated otherwise in the beginning of your post.
Frank, I think she meant with a necropsy of the brain????? To sight the aneurysm????
demonwolfmoon likes this.
Muppetgirl is offline  
post #299 of 408 Old 03-31-2013, 07:11 PM
Foal
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 247
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by franknbeans View Post
Foxhunter-just curious-how do you SEE an aneurysm? Sure can't in people, and I question that you can in horses.

I also would clarify, that there is no proof that this horse dies as a result of the way it was being trained. You insinuated otherwise in the beginning of your post.
Cerebral aneurysms can be identified in autopsies / necropsies.
horselessmom is offline  
post #300 of 408 Old 03-31-2013, 07:25 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: left of center
Posts: 7,083
• Horses: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by horselessmom View Post
Cerebral aneurysms can be identified in autopsies / necropsies.
As a nurse, I know that-I thought she was saying there was something outwardly visible. Most COD's can be identified on a post mortem. Thanks.

Signature undergoing edits. Please standby.......
franknbeans is offline  
Closed Thread

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Need advice - horse was shot and killed sarah wood Horse Health 28 01-22-2013 08:46 PM
That horse could've been killed... tempest Horse Talk 2 08-16-2009 09:02 PM
My horse killed a dog whitetrashwarmblood Horse Talk 30 05-27-2009 01:14 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome