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    03-30-2013, 05:30 PM
I don't mind if CA charges and gets 25K for a horse, or whatever he can get for having his students train them. I wouldn't mind having 1/10 the salesman skills he has. And I agree that people can pay whatever they want.

However, I came across HF when doing web searches for a variety of horse riding and training issues. For months before I was a member, I'd read threads that came up in a search engine. Other horse forums also exist and give advice, but I decided to join THIS one because so many of the threads included level-headed advice.

My comment about learning to ride comes from personal experience. I bought Mia who was "perfect for a beginner", and she wasn't. Trying to learn to ride on her made her worse, and it reached the point of being dangerous. When I went to talk to the trainer who had worked with Trooper, I think she was pleasantly surprised when, after describing my problem, I asked for a recommendation for someone to teach me how to ride. "6-9 months from now, if my riding is better, then I'd like you to start work with Mia..."

Turned out it was 8 months. But without serious work on MY RIDING, no training was going to help Mia. Because MY RIDING was a big factor in HER problems. Not all of it, by any means. She'll always be a high-strung horse who seems to enjoy scaring herself. But a bad rider can ruin a good horse pretty fast. If the rider is leaning back when her horse needs to go up a steep grade, then someone needs to help her with her riding BEFORE she sinks $25K into a horse that may be ruined. Or even $1200, like I spent on Mia.

I don't enjoy confessing to stupidity and lack of ability. However, if there is even one old fart lurker who is about to do what I did, and who decides to take riding lessons will be worth it. Since CA showed a video about his Signature Horses that, IMHO, revealed a rider in need of lessons, I'm guessing he won't turn down $25,000 and insist they learn to ride better first. Maybe they will read it here, instead.
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    03-30-2013, 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by GamingGrrl    
But for the average trainer, only clients are going to show up. For Clinton, every single fangirl within a 500 mile radius is going to be showing up. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't allow people on the property. Try to train a horse with a crowd of strangers interfering and trying to talk to you about how Fluffy is doing so well on your methods. Even if its not Clinton but other trainers that work under him/for him, people will show up, fangirl, and generally be a nuisance. He's a celebrity, not exclusively a trainer.
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This. I worked as Security management for a long time, and you'd be surprised how OBNOXIOUS certain (entitled) people behave!!! My god, I've even had to call the police on people refusing to leave private property after being warned that they were trespassing, and wait for the police to escort them off, all while cursing me out and calling me ugly in foreign languages...

Imagine if I was a famous person handling that! Anything I did "wrong" to this entitled individual would be ALL OVER THE INTERWEBS!

I am no fangirl, like I said, I don't know a thing about CA except for that he's famous with horsepeople....but I can see why some of these rules are in place. Other people would too, if they took the time to puzzle out the possibilities....
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    03-30-2013, 08:49 PM
"No vet would ever ask me "is this your horse?"

Unless you have a signed and notarized authorization for treatment, your vet is looking to get sued, as are you. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it can't.
    03-30-2013, 11:02 PM
It happens alot, vets gets sued everyday for doing this exact thing.We can't even give information on an animal shots, illness, vaccinations, etc, unless we have the owners consent.If you are taking care of someones critters and the animal gets hurt, if you take animal into vet or have vet out, legally the vet can't treat the animal without owners consent. IF the vet does treat animal for something, the owner can sue and will win in court.
I am sure some vets do this for clients they trust, doing autopsys for a dead animal that you are taking care of, treating an animal for the injury, etc. without the owners specific verbal okay, and maybe each state is different.
Also, without an owners consent, a HUGE vet bill could be reached and if the vet did not get specific confirmation from an owner to treat or whatever for their animal, the vet can lose lots of money, since the owner never consented to pay for the work done.
    03-31-2013, 06:41 PM
Originally Posted by GamingGrrl    
I looked at the horses owners FB page, it's filled with fairy and unicorn and butterfly pictures. She also made several suspect posts about waiting to hear if her horse was still alive and then another post about waiting for "the call".
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This horse may have had a previous condition that the owner knew of, and just used CA to cause a scandal, and make trouble
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    03-31-2013, 07:56 PM
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I have trained horses for nigh on 50 years. When I was very involved in the racing industry I had the reputation of making good sensible horses from highly neurotic horses.
During this time I have never had a horse die on me because of the way it was being trained.

I am not a fan of either Parelli nor CA - there is a lot wrong with the way they train and in my never humble opinion they can be very muddling for the animal.

Sure thing that any horse can have an aneurism and drop dead but to low tie a horse and leve it to graze is something that I would never do.

I would have wanted someone to look at the cause of death. A broken neck is easy to see as is the place where an aneurism occurred.
    03-31-2013, 07:59 PM
Foxhunter-just curious-how do you SEE an aneurysm? Sure can't in people, and I question that you can in horses.

I also would clarify, that there is no proof that this horse dies as a result of the way it was being trained. You insinuated otherwise in the beginning of your post.
    03-31-2013, 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Foxhunter-just curious-how do you SEE an aneurysm? Sure can't in people, and I question that you can in horses.

I also would clarify, that there is no proof that this horse dies as a result of the way it was being trained. You insinuated otherwise in the beginning of your post.
Frank, I think she meant with a necropsy of the brain????? To sight the aneurysm????
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    03-31-2013, 08:11 PM
Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Foxhunter-just curious-how do you SEE an aneurysm? Sure can't in people, and I question that you can in horses.

I also would clarify, that there is no proof that this horse dies as a result of the way it was being trained. You insinuated otherwise in the beginning of your post.
Cerebral aneurysms can be identified in autopsies / necropsies.
    03-31-2013, 08:25 PM
Originally Posted by horselessmom    
Cerebral aneurysms can be identified in autopsies / necropsies.
As a nurse, I know that-I thought she was saying there was something outwardly visible. Most COD's can be identified on a post mortem. Thanks.

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