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post #41 of 408 Old 03-28-2013, 02:22 PM
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although in hindsight, doing it himself would have prevented a tiny portion of this, he cant perform a medical proceedure on someone elses (dead) horse with out consent. If the horse was found dead, the owner was contacted, asked how they wanted to proceed and they felt an autopsy was not needed, he cant go against their wishes and have one done anyways.

Anyone who has trained for other people can sympathise with how aweful it is to deal with owners like this.
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post #42 of 408 Old 03-28-2013, 03:40 PM
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Oy. He's right, of course, and has the right to be pissed, but he shouldn't really pen his press releases himself when he's pissed. Boy, that was ugly.
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post #43 of 408 Old 03-28-2013, 03:47 PM
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I have nothing of value to add to this discussion. But I totally read CA's entire statement hearing his awesome accent.
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post #44 of 408 Old 03-28-2013, 03:56 PM
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Sounds like the main aorta blew, like Hickstead if there was no struggle. The dirt around the horse tells a lot. A struggling horse or one that fought the rope will show in the dirt. Same if no struggle. We never know if or when this can happen. A friend was trotting her mare when it dropped like a sack of potatoes. She had blown the main aorta.
Hmmm...we only have his word that there was no struggle. It is awfully rare that a horse, while at rest, suddenly just drops dead. I doubt CA is giving the owner the straight facts but, we will never know.
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post #45 of 408 Old 03-28-2013, 04:02 PM
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Wow, what an unpleasant and unprofessional rant.
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post #46 of 408 Old 03-28-2013, 04:07 PM
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although in hindsight, doing it himself would have prevented a tiny portion of this, he cant perform a medical proceedure on someone elses (dead) horse with out consent. If the horse was found dead, the owner was contacted, asked how they wanted to proceed and they felt an autopsy was not needed, he cant go against their wishes and have one done anyways.

Anyone who has trained for other people can sympathise with how aweful it is to deal with owners like this.
Not true. The horse was in his care and his responsibility. He could have averted these rumors by getting a necropsy. If a horse died in my care, it would be done, period.
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post #47 of 408 Old 03-28-2013, 04:08 PM
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Yeah-a bit rough for sure, but totally warranted. He is pissed and has every reason to be, IMO. People like the OP go around starting threads like this just to stir the pot when they have no first hand knowledge to go on.

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post #48 of 408 Old 03-28-2013, 04:09 PM
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I don't follow the NH scene, and know nothing at all about CA... but I have a new found respect for the way he has put that statement out. Why should he lie down and let something like that spread around FB like wildfire?

For those who believe he should have paid for the necropsy - I don't think that is his decision or place. Any veterinary treatment at all, should be the responsibility of the owner. The owner didn't want it, end of story. If it were so important to the owner to find a reason, she would request it be sent in and think about the finance side of things later. If this were my horse, I wouldn't think twice about it and would have it done. Seriously, what a few hundred dollars if you are willing to pay out CA to train the horse in the first place.

He's right, horses do die. When I worked at a pretraining yard I had a 4yo mare drop dead from a heart attack while her mouth was tied up. It had been done several times, and this day I went about mucking out the stall across from the pen as normal and down she went - nothing I could do. Owner was upset, but had enough sense to understand that these things happen.

A bit of a brain and common sense would go an awful long way in the world. I swear the likes of FB have this world goin to pot, too many people venting and moaning on it rather than sit down and deal with the issue with those involved.

Stop for a minute, open your mind, learn. You may not agree with what I say, I may not agree with what you say but we will both learn something new.
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post #49 of 408 Old 03-28-2013, 04:13 PM
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Wow, what an unpleasant and unprofessional rant.
I happened to catch it about 5 minutes after it was posted and before the word bull**** was censored, omg! U MAD CLINTON?

I feel his pain though. He's not the only horse trainer who has had to put up with this kind of nonsense lol. It's like Catwalk all over again! Sad that the horse died though. Kind of a shame to make it into a national outrage.
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post #50 of 408 Old 03-28-2013, 04:16 PM
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I honestly could care less how this story ends. Truth be told, I think there is guilt on both sides. The owner who admits she has heard terrible things about this trainer puts the "beloved horse" in with him. That proves her guilt in the fate of the horse right there.

Whether or not CA was guilty of the horses death we will never know. I personally have no use for him but, each to their own. This isn't the first RUMOR I have heard about his abuse but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't put my horses in training with him anyway.

As far as her turning down a 14.1 hand supposedly $25,000 horse? I would have too. I don't want a 14.1 hand, I have no use for it. A horse is only worth what you would be willing to pay for it. To me, a 14.1 hand isn't worth $25,000. no matter what. It might be for many other people but not me.

I am not sure that it is true that he couldn't have had a necropsy done. Likely the laws vary from area to area but... If it were me, that would have been the first thing I would have pursued. True proof that the horse had something underlying wrong with it, unless it didn't. Probably a little truth on both sides and a whole bunch of drama mixed in.
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