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        06-23-2013, 11:50 PM
      #11
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
    I'm kind of on the verge of being done with riding lessons at this point. I started off not that great but I was relaxed. Now I'm okayish but REALLY tense through my back, which of course nothing then is communicated to the horse.

    Folks lemme tell you. Better to have few lessons with a good trainer than lots of lessons with bad trainers.
    Think long, tall, heels in the sand and breathe slowly from your heels to the end of your ponytail.
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        06-23-2013, 11:59 PM
      #12
    Showing
    I think I found a great instructor but she's 2 hours away and hasn't replied to me since our lesson.. yes I'm willing to travel that far for quality lessons!
         
        06-24-2013, 07:47 AM
      #13
    Foal
    Shoo, I'll be traveling about 40 minutes to get good lessons and riding courses, so tempting just to ride up my road and literally walk in for a lesson.

    I'm independent anyway, I'm pretty cozy with the plan of one good lesson every few months. The issue when I first started was that I could only go once a week, and my trainer wanted me to ride throughout the week. I didn't have any horses of my own at that point and didn't ride any other horses except the ones at his stable. I think he did pretty clever--- we all made sure that one lesson lasted me the whole week! I remember being a lump of sore Jell-O right until the next lesson.

    The last few trainers taught me to slump forward and over-bend my horse =_=
    Now I catch myself leaning, and my horse turning her nose rather than turning her body. I asked how to do lateral work, and someone told me to make her lead with her hindquarters. Jumping? Ugh. They taught me to hold a clenched two-point before, after, and during the jump. My honest jumper, as a result, has the occasional run-out if I start jumping early. I bob around when I do that, and she won't have it.
    Horse is the best trainer, mmhmm.
         
        06-24-2013, 07:56 AM
      #14
    Banned
    A bad trainer is one who cannot or will not allow you to understand what it is you're doing and WHY - they treat you like a robot and say 'do this' 'do that' 'do this' with never a word of why, how, because.....and you find yourself leaving a lesson feeling like you know less then what you arrived with....they're the ones who hold their bag of secrets close to their chest.....students of these kind of trainers find themselves so dependent on their trainer that they become incapacitated if they are left to their own devices.....
         
        07-04-2013, 10:17 AM
      #15
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
    A bad trainer is one who cannot or will not allow you to understand what it is you're doing and WHY - they treat you like a robot and say 'do this' 'do that' 'do this' with never a word of why, how, because.....and you find yourself leaving a lesson feeling like you know less then what you arrived with....they're the ones who hold their bag of secrets close to their chest.....students of these kind of trainers find themselves so dependent on their trainer that they become incapacitated if they are left to their own devices.....
    I agree and disagree with you Muppetgirl. I have a lot of crappy trainers that never said what I was doing wrong, just to fix it and they ended up basically putting a bandaid on my riding. But there are so many different kinds of bad trainer. There's the money grubbing trainer who will sell you anything even if it's only on 3 legs. There's the money grubbing trainer to the rich that buys and sells 50 thousand dollar ponies and lets the kid bump around and win in the hunters but never teaches them a thing. And don't forget, there's the trainer that flat out teaches you how to ride incorrectly.

    I had a trainer that I stayed with for 2 years because I was told by others she was basically the type of trainer that was around. For 2 years, I rode 2 times a week and there were 3 lessons that I DID NOT fall off. My record is 4 times in 20 minutes. Luckily I was saved by another trainer from her, but we moved to 4 barns with this lady and I found out later it was because they were threatening to call the cops with animal abuse. I wish now someone had. This is the same lady that made me hold my favorite horse while he was getting put down when I was 11. She scared me so much, I didn't tell my mom it happened til I was 18 .

    I never showed or bought with this lady (though I know people who did... they ruled the C circuit haha), she explained in too much detail why abuse was good to gain respect and screamed at me on a weekly basis. Explanation doesn't always mean a good trainer. As a trainer myself, I now only yell if something dangerous is happening and I only use whips if the people truly understand them or the horse needs the visual from their back.

    People are crazy... horses are awesome
         
        07-04-2013, 02:02 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
    A bad trainer is one who cannot or will not allow you to understand what it is you're doing and WHY - they treat you like a robot and say 'do this' 'do that' 'do this' with never a word of why, how, because.....and you find yourself leaving a lesson feeling like you know less then what you arrived with....they're the ones who hold their bag of secrets close to their chest.....students of these kind of trainers find themselves so dependent on their trainer that they become incapacitated if they are left to their own devices.....
    I had a few like this before moving to Florida. They just blandly stated without reason, and being novice, I didn't even understand enough to do what they said properly. They weren't really 'bad', but I could have done better with some explanation on what the heck I was doing and trying to accomplish.

    Now I've got an awesome trainer. This guy explains everything.. To the point of dancing/cantering/trotting/leg yielding to help me get a visual. While, sometimes, explaining doesn't help if you still suck at teaching.. I've found that if the trainer is good at what they do, it is quite helpful! (And amusing when he canters up to jumps to emphasize his point)
         
        07-04-2013, 09:43 PM
      #17
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Liver    
    I had a few like this before moving to Florida. They just blandly stated without reason, and being novice, I didn't even understand enough to do what they said properly. They weren't really 'bad', but I could have done better with some explanation on what the heck I was doing and trying to accomplish.

    Now I've got an awesome trainer. This guy explains everything.. To the point of dancing/cantering/trotting/leg yielding to help me get a visual. While, sometimes, explaining doesn't help if you still suck at teaching.. I've found that if the trainer is good at what they do, it is quite helpful! (And amusing when he canters up to jumps to emphasize his point)
    For a while I thought my own original trainer that I loved so much was not explaining in words like other trainers, but it dawned on me that the guy would explain it to me over the course of multiple lessons, and it was darn appropriate when you think that I was there at the time just to hobby ride on HIS horses and he basically had the right to direct me, I felt more privileged to be there and had a Yes Sir manner that would probably have gotten me eaten alive if I went to one of those crappy money-lord trainers. I just didn't learn by words, but he was always good with telling me something if I asked about it. He wasn't grooming me for show, he just wanted me to ride correctly.

    He would talk to me of course, but he would more often wiggle and move around to show the point, put me in position, get on the horse himself for a moment, and ask a nearby rider to be the model. No point in standing there and repeating the same lecture over and over every time, so he'd tell me in detail sometimes, the rest of the time encourage me to find the feel myself and give me needed reminders. His voice still echoes in my head... "Fiiiiiind your seat. Keep your eyes up. Don't let your hands/legs move around. Look where you want to go. Start turning before you get there (this is a big animal, you can't turn when you're already there). Stick her to the fence---don't take the fence home."

    Some people say he's a man of few words. No, I think he's a man who doesn't repeat himself in full speech all the time.
         
        07-05-2013, 11:56 AM
      #18
    Yearling
    I took lessons for 8 to 10 years with one woman, I learned to sit a buck, or rear. Deal with a biting, knee rubbing, leaning on your hands horse. But I didn't learn that you shouldn't direct rein in a curb bit, what was appropriate contact, to canter outside of the edge of the arena, how to put on a bridle right, and a lot of other little things.

    It annoys me to know end that she has over 20 little girls learning to ride, extremely poorly. She give them a confidence that they are great riders, but when they ever get a chance to ride some where else, maybe they'll realize how danagerous some of those things she is teaching them is. One girl thinks she has the right to train and ride anyone's horses, her head is so in the clouds she is completely unaware to of that is really going on, just because the horse doesn't buck you off, doesn't mean your a horse's gift from God!

    I rode with a another woman for 6 months and learned a lot more than the 8 years with the other. I could post, had control at the canter, what a half halt was, felt real collection is, how to use my legs right for different cues, even started small x rails.

    Still pinch my knees, hands to low, arms to straight, and look down to much. But it is taking time, but as of three years ago I haven't had a lesson so I rely on taking videos/photos and looking to improve.
         
        07-05-2013, 01:03 PM
      #19
    Foal
    When I started reading this thread, I was wondering, how do I know if my trainer is as good as I think she is? I have witnessed other trainers in action, but I've never taken a lesson with anyone else. She is kind and patient with people and animals and has never put me in a situation where I felt unsafe or unable to do what was asked of me, but does that mean she's a good trainer? By the time I finished this thread, it was confirmed that, yes, she is a great trainer. It is likely at some point I will ride with another trainer, somewhere, for some reason, and I'm thankful she has given me such a solid foundation.
         
        07-05-2013, 06:23 PM
      #20
    Yearling
    All trainers are different and their students are going to ride a little differently. You absolutely should ride with different trainers and the more you ride with, the more 'correct' you will develop. Even a bad trainer can teach you something :)
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