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        01-28-2014, 11:47 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    One thing you can always count on from the vast majority of horse people is that they think their way is the right way.
         
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        01-30-2014, 08:29 AM
      #12
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    A 'good' trainer is one that is effective with a variety of horses. A good trainer can teach horses with the innate ability to do something to do this to the best of the horse's ability without resentment or resistance.

    This means that the trainer must not only produce acceptable to very good results, but must adjust the method of teaching to fit that individual horse to bring out the best results that the horse is able to do. If the horse is free of resentment, fear or anxiety, then the trainer has good training ability.

    It is all about communication. Not every trainer can communicate with all kinds of horses. Some horses are a lot easier to communicate with. Some trainers adjust better to different kinds of horses. Results count a great deal, but are not the only consideration. If the trainer could get past any resistance on the road to those good results with little or no fear, anxiety or harshness, then the trainer has been effective and the methods used on that particular horse have been the right ones for that horse.

    Methods can only be taught to some degree. Any method requires good timing and feel and very good judgement skills. These skills are very difficult to teach even when working one on one with a very dedicated student. Add to that -- methods need to differ from horse to horse. Methods used to teach timid, frightful horses need to be a lot different than methods used to teach willful, pushy horses, Even different methods are needed to teach spoiled horses.
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        01-30-2014, 03:23 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    One size does not fit all

    Same with kids --- different kids learn from different methods and can even apply what they learn in different ways
         
        01-30-2014, 03:53 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    There are some people who call themselves trainers, yet don't know a smidge about training. Me and my trainer call them "trainer extraordinaires."

    You definitely have to be careful when you're looking for a trainer because there are so many out there that call themselves that, but they're not. Nowhere close.

    I once saw a trainer extraordinaire BITE his horse on the nose and draw blood. To show his horse that biting is not okay. The horse pulled back, and it ripped the trainer extraordinaire's tooth out! I helped him look for it on the ground!!

    So yes, be careful who you take advice from. A good cue is usually how they treat/ interact with their OWN horses.
         
        01-30-2014, 05:39 PM
      #15
    Super Moderator
    We call them trainer wannabes.

    There was one here in town. He 'trained' a lot of horses around here after we quit. [He now has a regular job.] He brought his horses over here pretty often under the guise of wanting them to ride next to the highway so they would get used to traffic. [Our arena is next to a very busy US Hwy.] But, he always had some problem he was working on and wanted to ask me about. Or he would call on the phone and ask what I would do about such and such? Or he would ask me to ride his horse 'a minute' and see what he is doing with such and such.

    I was working with a green horse one day and a guy came over to visit. I was explaining what I had and what I was trying to accomplish. He said,
    "Well, you know (insert trainer wannabe) showed me how to do that by doing x,y, and z just last week". It was exactly what I had showed him to do two weeks earlier. I told the guy that "Yes! I know. I showed him how to do it two weeks ago." He said, "Oh."
         
        01-30-2014, 06:10 PM
      #16
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
    You would be training the PERSON, not the horse...the horse already knows, the person doesn't. Take my horse for instance...you could push the wrong buttons....but there is no way you are untraining him.
    Are you saying that I couldn't un-train or retrain what a horse already know???? If that was true then there would be no point in trying to "retrain" a horse because as you said "there is no way you are untraining him" does that go for all horses or just yours??
    I don't agree with you I can un-train or retrain any horse.

    I work at a summer camp I train horses for our campers to use and learn to ride on. I SO WISH you were right that once I trained one of my horses they would never be un-trained by my campers.
         
        01-30-2014, 06:14 PM
      #17
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by BridlesandBowties    
    So I do not qualify as Horse trainer what so ever. (; I'm still new to things and not trying to play it up like I know my stuff but I have been pondering something lately...

    It seems that a lot of the 'trainers' I've talked to or even met just did not interest me. At first, I was all about listening to them and thought you know, "they're trainers. They know how to do it.". Though, as I went through some training with my mare, I realized just how odd the world of trainers is.

    Every person I talked to had completely different advice. Always the same "you've been doing it THAT way? No. This is the right way."
    For my mare, a lot of this worked. But when I bought my Appendix, my world was turned upside down. I've had to take him from 'follow the leader' trail riding, to all-around proficient.

    It seemed like literally every piece of advice I got just would not work with him. I talked to many trainers and horse people and little to none of it was effective. That's when I started using my brain and finding things that specifically work for him. I had to watch his every move, listen to what he was saying very closely then I began to find the unique things that worked for him.

    So now I find myself asking the professionals why they think their way is correct...that perhaps it's not the training method that is correct, but the end result.

    I'm not trying to take a hit at any trainers on here...but I'd like to know peoples thoughts on this as well.
    All trainers are doing the same thing they just don't like to admit it. Training is just three easy steps:
    1. Apply pressure
    2. Get the correct response
    3. Release the pressure

    Trainers make their money selling the fact that 1. They are good at the three steps and 2. The little tricks they have learned to help with the 3 steps.
         
        01-30-2014, 06:31 PM
      #18
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CowboyBob    
    Are you saying that I couldn't un-train or retrain what a horse already know???? If that was true then there would be no point in trying to "retrain" a horse because as you said "there is no way you are untraining him" does that go for all horses or just yours??
    I don't agree with you I can un-train or retrain any horse.

    I work at a summer camp I train horses for our campers to use and learn to ride on. I SO WISH you were right that once I trained one of my horses they would never be un-trained by my campers.
    It goes for any well trained horse that doesn't need "re-training"...and for my horses as well. The ones that need to be "re-trained" weren't trained right from the beginning. And I'll stand by that and the fact that I don't train my horses everytime I work with them.

    In your case, because you have camp horses...you aren't re-training them, you are REMINDING them of what they already know.

    I've put beginners and people with major phsyical handicaps (I have a small therapeutic riding program) on my horse since I retired him from showing. The woman who rides him has spina bifida, and while she can't use her leg and seat like I can....he responds to her because he is that well-trained. I set up mini trail courses, and he'll spin on the hind in a box for her like no ones busines....JUST by lifting her hand slightly and kissing. Now, when I ride, I just use spur and a kiss and he'll spin in that box. I didn't need to re-teach/re-train him that every time I ride, he was trained and already knows.
         
        01-30-2014, 06:39 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CowboyBob    
    Are you saying that I couldn't un-train or retrain what a horse already know???? If that was true then there would be no point in trying to "retrain" a horse because as you said "there is no way you are untraining him" does that go for all horses or just yours??
    I don't agree with you I can un-train or retrain any horse.

    I work at a summer camp I train horses for our campers to use and learn to ride on. I SO WISH you were right that once I trained one of my horses they would never be un-trained by my campers.
    I firmly believe "un-training" is a bunch of bull.

    I do believe, however, in correcting behavior. There is no such thing as the perfect horse. If you stick a bad rider on a nice horse long enough, that horse will learn bad habits. You can correct them, "tune them up" per say.

    You cannot teach a horse to forget something. You cannot wipe the slate clean and start all over. You can correct it and improve it.
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        01-30-2014, 06:51 PM
      #20
    Yearling
    ^ absolutely!!!!! Love this Delete. And God, if I have to train my horse every time I lay my hand on him...I guess I better fire my trainer....LOL.
         

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