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    02-04-2014, 04:24 PM
Les Vogt got lucky on this one.

Seems to me he had this horse cranked in a bit too much ALL the time, but, that is just my opinion. Regardless, I guess the horse didn't want to roll back.

Les really got lucky. He is getting too "mature" for this.
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    02-04-2014, 05:03 PM
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Good thing the footing was soft and deep.
    02-04-2014, 05:19 PM
Oh man... Not pretty at all.

Didn't really like his comment. IMHO that was a combo of more rider error, part horse.
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    02-04-2014, 05:25 PM
Originally Posted by FlyGap    

Didn't really like his comment. IMHO that was a combo of more rider error, part horse.
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Do you mean his comment that he doesn't like to ride strange horses at his clinics because of incidents like this? I think that decision seems pretty fair. Just because I horse is held in a bridle like that doesn't make him rear over backwards....it could've been an undisclosed problem.

I do agree that he's in that horse's mouth too much and it probably wasn't helping the situation any.
    02-04-2014, 05:37 PM
Are you kidding me? Did I watch the same video? No wonder the horse flipped on him, he was totally ripping on the horses mouth. Sorry, don't feel sorry for him, he did that to the horse and to himself. I am so sick of seeing riders ripping on horses mouths like that and then wondering why the horse reacted. Yikes!

He makes the turn, his left hand goes high, pulling the horse tight while his right hand gives a series of very very hard jerks to the horses mouth. I think in this case, he got his just reward.
    02-04-2014, 05:48 PM
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He was way too hard on that horses mouth and had it so far behind the bit most of the time I'm not surprised it panicked.
Just because some horses are OK with that sort of riding doesn't mean they all are - and a rider with his level of experience should know that and should have been able to read the horse better
    02-04-2014, 05:49 PM
Not impresssed one bit. Of course this is only a 40 second clip. We don't know what transpired before this or how the horse was going before the video started but taken just as the 40 second clip I'm not impressed with the rider at all.
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    02-04-2014, 06:29 PM
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He cranked that left rein straight to his hip then started ripping on the right rein at the same time. I'd flip my lid too if I had a guy yanking my head two directions at once
    02-04-2014, 06:45 PM
Based on that clip, 100% rider error. He trapped that horse and the horse found the only way out.
    02-04-2014, 06:54 PM
Yes. The fact that he blamed it on an unknown horse is ludricous.

You are right RC. The left rein was cranked back HARD and SHORT all the way to his hip. Then HAMMERING on the right rein all the way back to his right hip.

The horse couldn't go anywhere but over with this "technique".
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