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post #12 of 41 Old 02-04-2014, 07:06 PM
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He is very lucky to have walked away from that relatively unscathed.
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Honestly, I also wonder what bit he had, what the horses background was, amount of training (i.e. was it ready for the bit he may have had in its' mouth?…etc) He is, after all known for his bits also, and makes some wonderful ones. I just wonder if perhaps he put the wrong one on this horse, and then was way took harsh with it.

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Even if he did choose the wrong bit, from the very start of the video you can see the horse is not able to work well with him. The dismount should have been intentional within about 15 seconds of that clip, or at the very least he should have slowed it down and reset the poor horse. He was in trouble from the start.
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I saw him bump the horse's mouth, not a hard yank. The horse was resisting doing a turn back to the right and we all know that going to the right is often stiffer. The turnback to the left was brilliant.
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Honestly, I also wonder what bit he had, what the horses background was, amount of training (i.e. was it ready for the bit he may have had in its' mouth?…etc) He is, after all known for his bits also, and makes some wonderful ones. I just wonder if perhaps he put the wrong one on this horse, and then was way took harsh with it.
Thats kind of what I was alluding to. All we know about the whole deal is that 40 seconds. It was a bad 40 seconds and a complete train wreck but we don't know how we got to that point.

I like Les vogt bits. i have one and you can see it in my avatar. However i wouldn't throw it in a greenes mouth and expect great results. My guy is being ridden in the two rein with it and at the pace I'm going he may be in the two rein for several years. Les probably didn't have that luxury in this clinic. Still not an excuse for what happened.
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Anyone else wondering how much leg/spur he was using when he was jerking in the right rein? On my iPad I was trying to slow it down and it seemed like the toes on his right foot went down which mean the heel/spur was being used. It looks like he was bumping with the spur and jerking while holding the left rein and the horse couldn't go forward to get off the leg so he went up. I actually like to see a full video of the horse though to see what he is like normally.
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Maybe someone can answer this for me as I only do trail riding I may very well be wrong. While I do believe this was rider error. But, when riding a horse like that (behind the bit I think is the right term) don't you train a horse to hold that position? You don't continuously keep pressure on the reins and "trap" them so to speak? I know with my guys I will bump both my reins to make sure they are staying soft and collected and balanced and flexing at the poll properlly. Shouldn't his reins be looser threw the whole ride? Cause to me the horse looks trapped the whole time.

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As he said, this was a horse at a clinic, so most likely it came with problems. But man, if I was getting on a strange horse I sure wouldn't jump on and pick a fight right off the bat like that, he should have known better.
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I am not a fan of Les, and he knows this. He is, and always has been, a bit heavy handed. That said, I am glad he walked away, he is a little long in the tooth for a snorty horse. One thing I do respect about Les is he shows everything, warts and all. I am a little disappointed that he blamed the horse, he is usually pretty quick to own his mistakes.
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