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post #1 of 40 Old 02-16-2017, 06:12 PM Thread Starter
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Arrow Lets talk about Clinton Anderson :J

Lets use this thread to talk about Clinton Anderson training and our opinions. I don't want any fighting, or anything like that at all, if that's what you're here for i would like it if you could exit. I just thought we could share our thoughts and opinions! :)
I personally like Clinton Anderson. I have a few friends who have met him and don't like him because apparently he is a jerk in real life, but i don't see how that affects his ability to train a horse. Anyways, lol. I understand that his training doesn't work on every horse, but it definitely works for me! And has always been a good training method for me and my horses!
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THis has been done to the point of tears on this forum! Just google this site and you will find a long, long, long thread on CA.
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oh, i had no idea! LOL Im fairly new here. thanks......

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Here you go Abstang. Clinton Anderson

There are many others, but that's the most recent and will keep you occupied for quite a while.

And Smilie is a reluctant admirer of Clinton Anderson, with some qualifications. :=)
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You can't have a "Horse Forum" without there being a few long threads on Clinton Anderson.

Two points.

He took proven training techniques from multiple renowned horseman and formulated it into a template he could teach to people. There is nothing wrong with that, it is called "model and improve", it is the basis of all engineering and product development. Considering he left school as a teenager and all of his business stuff is self taught and finding good people to help him I think he is a brilliant businessman.

He has the old school brash Queensland Ozzie persona. Chummy, likes to joke and tease, and not above making fun of everyone and everything including himself. If Clinton or someone like him ever treated people in a straight jacket manner, you can be almost certain that they don't like them. For every time he has called people 'tree hugging idiots', he has claimed that he barely knows where the diesel goes in the truck. That isn't what hyper-sensitive people hear though.
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Here you go Abstang. Clinton Anderson

There are many others, but that's the most recent and will keep you occupied for quite a while.

And Smilie is a reluctant admirer of Clinton Anderson, with some qualifications. :=)
Thanks, Joel, you made me chuckle!

Welcome, Abstang2002, and sorry if I came across as abrupt, and I certainly did not mean to. For some reason or another CA gets more debate then any other clinician
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don't feel obliged to go to the other thread, and abandon your own. I think folks just wanted to let you know that there WAS another one.

yes, CA is often the subject of contentious debate. you must be aware of that, or you would not have openned this thread with all the warnings.
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THis has been done to the point of tears on this forum! Just google this site and you will find a long, long, long thread on CA.
Probably LITERALLY tears, too.

I've read his book and seen several videos. Just like with any expert, you take some info, you leave some. :)
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Actually I was hoping a new CA thread would come up.

I'll try to keep it short. But I tend to ramble... sorry....

In November I bought a "beginner safe horse". Harumph. He's a 14 yo paint, but he acts more like a 3 yo thoroughbred. I bought him from a lesson barn, and didn't bring my coach, and... well, he's mine now, and I'm trying to make the best of a very bad situation. (He's so bad in the cross ties that we are both sweaty and upset by the time I get his saddle on.... so, I'm too worked up to ride him, and have only ridden him ONCE since I've had him.)

Thus began the search for "what to do"? (He IS for sale, by the way....but, I figure I need to make the best of a bad situation.)

I found Carson James, joined his club, ran through all his videos in about a week, earned most of the "badges", and that was that. I found "Invisible Horse Control", bought those videos, ok, a couple of good tips, but not enough for my boy. Started watching CA on youtube. I loved the results, but was turned off by what initially appeared to be "abuse". Read the forums here, and started taking a look at Parelli. Bought their "step one" and their "horsenality" videos. (By the way, there's a LOT of anti-Parelli sentiment in prior posts about CA, PP and LP)

The Linda Parelli "horsenality" videos, to me, have been quite helpful. Helped me to realize the sort of horse I'm dealing with, and had a whole DVD on "his type" (right brained extrovert). Still, not enough to get him into a state that I can deal with him. But cantering the andrenline down did seem to make a quite difference in his level of tension.

So, circle back to CA. I bought the ebook "Establishing Respect and Control", because I didn't want to join the club, and I surely didn't want to spend the serious $$ to buy his fundamentals DVDs before I had more of a warm fuzzy that his "method" would work for me.

I've bought some training for my horse (no change really... but the barn changed his feed to low carb). I posted a video on Carson James' sight of him going mental on me... rearing up on his lead line...which was met with all kinds of "he's in pain"... "why do you have the stud chain on his nose"... yada yada.... had the vet come out, who put the stud chain on his nose.... (after all, maybe they know something I don't know)... he's fine... the vet said (since he "acted out" for the vet too) "he's just a punk."

Anyway, yesterday, armed with a few "techniques" from CA's book, I went to barn to work with my horse... first he ran me over, knocked me down, yelled to his pasture mates... kept cutting in front of me to get to the fresh snow (what's up with THAT)... just general WTF? (can a horse have ADD?)

FINALLY got to the indoor and began lunging... he was "ok"... CA's "thing" is "move their feet forward, backward, left and right"... so, backing up is a big "thing".... I could get him to back up, but not without pushing on his shoulders with all my might. So, using CA's "method" of swing the lead line and swing the stick under it.... voila! two steps back without me shoving my weight against him. Though I did feel like I had to put a LOT of energy into that ... in made me think, "Hmmmm..... could we have a winner in the "method" " to select for working with this bad boy?

I'm going again today, and hope to do at least four days in a row of working with him, to see if I can get a daily change in him. So, right now, my "plan" is to do the Parelli 'Horsenality', canter him on the lunge line until 'there is a change', then work the CA ground work with him....

*I* would appreciate some POSITIVE suggestions. I am NOT a trainer. I have only been riding about a year and a half... I'm pushing 63, so, I'm not a kid anymore, and don't have the ability to "bounce" when I fall, nor the energy to deal with this very high energy horse! Please keep the flames down, or away completely. I was flamed enough on the Carson James FB page.
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Maybe try to start this thread over again but this time label it something like Clinton Anderson Methods - and then make it a thread to share experiences and discuss issues for members that are using the method rather than a discussion about liking him or not liking him?


Just a thought.


Years ago we had a Parelli thread that went all kinds of squirelly because of the likes and dislikes so the OP restarted a new thread and labeled it - Parelli method for members to discuss trials and errors or something like that. It was actually a really popular thread. At the time I was very ANTI-Parelli and so I would just roll my eyes when I read through the stuff, much like a lot of people do for the Clinton Anderson threads.


My sister in law was a huge Parelli fan, well, she still is so she loaned me the videos which I watched grudgingly. I belong to the Clinton Anderson No Worries club so I get those videos and have access to that library.


The thing I learned over the years is that there is no ONE way to train a horse. I use a lot of Clinton Anderson, but I also use some Parelli, and John and Josh Lyons for my online trainers so it would be neat to have a thread dedicated to whatever on-line method someone might be following.


I also use real people trainers and then I have my own personal methods that I've learned through trial and error....


Anyway, good luck with this thread.

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