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    06-28-2013, 02:17 PM
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Yearling
Now I've heard everything...

Today I was told that a running martingale saves the mouth.

Head...desk.
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    06-28-2013, 02:22 PM
  #2
Trained
Well...it does ........the mouth of the rider....horse head cannot make contact with face/mouth of rider with martingale.....
     
    06-28-2013, 02:40 PM
  #3
Trained
I think in certain circumstances it could. Would it help if a rider is very heavy handed or who uses the reins for balance? Instead of all their weight on the poor horses mouth, it would be somewhat deflected by the reins.

No evidence to support this. It's just a thought as to why someone would think so.
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    06-28-2013, 02:41 PM
  #4
Yearling
LOL I suppose that's true.
The ring makes a lever that multiplies the force on the bit. (edited because it sounded much snottier than I meant it :) )
     
    06-28-2013, 03:15 PM
  #5
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Originally Posted by DancingArabian    
I think in certain circumstances it could. Would it help if a rider is very heavy handed or who uses the reins for balance? Instead of all their weight on the poor horses mouth, it would be somewhat deflected by the reins.

No evidence to support this. It's just a thought as to why someone would think so.
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deflects it off their mouth? How can pressure on the rein, thus onto the bit, be deflected off the mouth by a running martingale? Pressure applied to the rein is pressure applied to the rein. You can change the angle that the pressure is applied, but the same amount would come through.

If the horse raises his head or the rider lifts the rein enough to engage the martingale, then some of the pull become downward pull, rather than straight back or upward. Downward pull brings the bit more to bear onto the bars of the horse. Does that save the mouth? Maybe takes pressure off the corners of the mouth, since pulling straight back does put pressure there.
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    06-28-2013, 03:38 PM
  #6
Weanling
Me-thinks someone needs to take a physics class or two
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    06-28-2013, 04:03 PM
  #7
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Boo Walker    
me-thinks someone needs to take a physics class or two

That was my response, masked with a cough to disguise my laughter. This is a trainer that does this....
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    06-28-2013, 04:11 PM
  #8
Trained
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
deflects it off their mouth? How can pressure on the rein, thus onto the bit, be deflected off the mouth by a running martingale? Pressure applied to the rein is pressure applied to the rein. You can change the angle that the pressure is applied, but the same amount would come through.

If the horse raises his head or the rider lifts the rein enough to engage the martingale, then some of the pull become downward pull, rather than straight back or upward. Downward pull brings the bit more to bear onto the bars of the horse. Does that save the mouth? Maybe takes pressure off the corners of the mouth, since pulling straight back does put pressure there.
Bear in mind that I was just trying to figure out why someone would think this and I was NOT stating I believed it.

If a rider is leaning on the reins, all their pressure is directly on the horse's mouth. If the reins are passing through the bit and to the girth, wouldn't some of that pressure on the mouth be lessened and distributed to the girth as well?
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    06-28-2013, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DancingArabian    
Bear in mind that I was just trying to figure out why someone would think this and I was NOT stating I believed it.

If a rider is leaning on the reins, all their pressure is directly on the horse's mouth. If the reins are passing through the bit and to the girth, wouldn't some of that pressure on the mouth be lessened and distributed to the girth as well?
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No, the girth just holds the bottom of the martingale down. The reins go through rings & there should be no pressure unless the horse tosses or raises it's head past a certain point.
I will sometimes use a running martingale as it gives instant pressure & release. I adjust it pretty loose so a horse has to really be a head tosser before it comes into play & even then the rider still has a choice on how much pressure is applied.
     
    06-28-2013, 05:47 PM
  #10
Green Broke
I hope that the martingale is not attached to a bit with shanks..
     

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