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post #31 of 33 Old 02-17-2010, 08:58 AM
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I don't personally have any experience with NH, other than reading articles about it, but I will share a story.

I used to ride at a dressage barn a few years ago, and a few months after I left it, they begin switching to Parelli. What started the switch was one of the teenage riders there bought a horse that was way beyond her skill level, so I suppose she was looking for alternate ways of training. The owner begin using it, as well as the boarders that were very loyal to her.

As time went on, they rode their horses less and less, and would sit in the indoor drinking beer while their horses wandered around them. That teenager that started it didn't ride her horse for about a year and half and then she would only ride it every few months. All the boarders that wanted to learn dressage were frustrated, since the owner refused to teach dressage anymore. At least half the boarders left, as well as most of the lesson students that had been riding there. Apparently lessons for new riders consisted of them sitting on their horses wandering aimlessly around the area.

This may have just been an extreme cause of them taking it too far, but it seemed like they were using NH as an excuse to be incredibly lazy. In my reading of NH, I thought that it was a technique to be used with your usual riding to make it better, but it doesn't seem like these people are doing much (if any) riding at all...
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post #32 of 33 Old 10-07-2012, 02:04 AM
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Not quite sure about old parelli but I can tell you about my experience with the new.

I just adopted a rescue horse about 3 months ago (after not having horses for a while) and moved to a new barn. They are pretty hard core parelli with a couple of Clinton Anderson's, which I wasn't all that thrilled at ( I considered myself pretty traditional, not nh) but the facility was so nice I picked it.

I signed up for training lessons with the owner/trainer right after I got her home. Well our first lessons were very typical parelli level 1 stuff and honestly I was kind of bummed because I wanted to RIDE! My horse was apparently rideable and I felt like we were falling into the nh groundwork trap.

After a few more lessons it all made perfect sense though. With how naughty my horse was on the ground, we would have never been able to even get the saddle on, let alone ride. She didn't tie, wouldn't budge when asked to move and wouldn't stand still when you wanted her not to budge! Working though the 7 games (although they have ridiculous names!) helped with all of those things. Riding would have meant nothing if I couldn't have been safe around her to prepare her to ride. We are riding now and things are great. The ground stuff IS transferring to in the saddle and she is getting better at both.

The thing I can say though is that an experienced trainer made all of the difference. She has trained horses for 30 years and only started parelli about 10 years ago so she's done both. I watched the dvd's and did my best but having lessons with her to watch and tell me everything I was doing wrong,lol, was the bridge that made it actually work. I see that with a lot of the girls at the barn doing the program but not utilizing a trainer. They are technically at way higher levels but are making the same mistakes that my trainer corrected for me at our second or third lesson. Maybe that is why some people have experienced "bad" parelli horses? Something just isn't translating from the DVD to life?

Even those girls definitely ride though!!! Lots! We all do. I think that alot of people who are afraid of their horses are driven to parelli as a fix to their problems (because the DVDs are still cheaper than professional training) and still end up afraid of their horses in the end because they really needed more hands on help. I definitely think the program works, I just think that maybe it doesn't look like it all the time because many of the people driven to it are because they have a problem in the first place. No amount of circle game is going to make you confident if you aren't in the first place and haven't sought professional help.

Just what I have noticed.
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post #33 of 33 Old 08-08-2014, 05:40 PM
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I've been with Parelli for 9 years. I started out with it when the carrot stick was a new thing, and right when Pat changed the snaps on the lead ropes (he used to use bull snaps which I hate lol). This was BEFORE the OLD Level 1 came out, the one with VHS tapes. He only had instructional VHS tapes that weren't really that helpful b/c he used horses who already knew everything.

I've seen Parelli (the organization) grow to an amazing thing. The DVDs are absolutely wonderful in the amount of information you get and the quality. Pat has a saying, "Good better best, never let it rest, get your good better and your better best." He takes that principle and applies it to the growth of the organization....they are "improve-aholics" you could say. He and Linda realized that with the OLD Levels packs they were, unintentionally, making students goal oriented, direct lined, critical monsters...it was very task oriented (yes indeed it was) and when the person got to, say Level 3 (especially in the riding areas) you would see a lot of ear pinning and displaced behaviors from the horses, and a lot of stiffness from the person (physical and mental tension). Pat and Linda noticed this, so they did research on how people learn and deal with fear, etc. etc. and came out with the NEW Levels packs (minus Level 3). It was more in depth, focused way more on horse psychology and really hit home key points for success. I, as an advanced Level 2 student at the time with my first horse, found some holes in my Level 1 foundation. Once I fixed that, my success went way up.

So being "improve-aholics" they listen to their student's feedback and ideas, as well as their challenges and what would make things easier. That's where you see the Liberty and Horse Behavior pack (which is FABULOUS!), the Success Series, all that.

The Patterns were a huge hit. That's basically Pat's blueprint for any horse's foundation for performance....personally my horse and I LOVE LOVE LOVE them! lol. I suggest that to anyone coming into the program. It keeps you interesting for your horse and really helps advance your skills quickly.

People wanted more....they voiced that they wanted to see, exactly, what Pat expects of us at certain stages in our development as horseman. So now they've released their BRAND NEW Levels packs which is Levels 1-4. I do not have it yet but I have friends who do and they say it's brilliantly done. I believe it.

I personally have loved watching Pat and Linda grow in their own personal skills. Pat has way more finesse than he used to (he was always pretty darn amazing to begin with) and it's an inspiration to me to look back and see the huge changes Linda has made.

I love the changes the program has made. It really sets students up for success and helps them feel very supported. It's an extremely positive program and the majority of people you meet (especially at a Parelli tour stop) are so amazingly positive, happy, friendly, supportive...it's a true sense of family at a tour stop. For me at least.

Pat and Linda themselves are not the ones in charge of prices. That is Mark Weiler's doing. I do not like the man at all. I met him at the Celebration last year and he comes across as very arrogant....IMO it was a mistake for Pat and Linda to give him 51% of the company. He has helped, no doubt, spread the word of Parelli and all that stuff, but that doesn't make me like him. Pat is not out for money. If you hear him talk at a tour stop, and really, truly listen to him, you can feel the love he has for horses and his students. He does this to help horses and humans come together in a partnership, that is his passion. I have personally had a lesson with Pat, last year at the Celebration when my horse and I participated in the Savvy Spotlight, and he was a phenominal teacher. He knew exactly what needed to happen, what I needed to do, and what he showed me has completely changed my play session with my horse, on the ground and riding.
I know this is an old post, but I just discovered this forum and became a member today.

I love your answer here, Spirithorse. It's so great to praise and be open-minded. I have seen the old DVDs and loved them. I've just purchased the set of new DVDs - the Four Savveys, and am really looking forward to watching all of them to re-evaluate what I've been practicing for 22 years. I've just started on the first Disc.

My only problem with any of these - and it's MY problem, not Parelli - is that I am a Left Brain Introvert, and I have to force myself to pay attention, so I don't miss anything. LOL

I also follow Klaus Ferdinand Hempfling, and find that combining Parelli methods combined with Hempfling's body language really puts me in balance emotionally as well as calm mentally and physically too.
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