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View Poll Results: Parelli or Clinton Anderson
Parelli 9 12.68%
Clinton Anderson 42 59.15%
other (if so comment who) 20 28.17%
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post #61 of 122 Old 03-25-2012, 06:38 PM
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Why choose?

Both Anderson and Parelli, as well as many other trainers, offer differing methods to try to find what works for each individual horse. I think by limiting yourself to only one persons method, you do yourself and your horse a dis-service.

As long as the methods are safe and make sense, there's no reason not to try different things until you find what works to get the best results.
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post #62 of 122 Old 03-29-2012, 06:14 AM
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I didn't read the whole thread...

Just some thing came into my mind. Lot of people among you said : so horrible to sell DVDs, that's marketing, they just to it for their own ego...

Do you have thoses DVDs? Have you seen the lessons inside?

I have almost all Parelli's DVD (not the tree last ones), I have CA DVDs, I also have DVDs from french Michel Henriquet, Michel Robert, Philippe Karl, Jean d' Orgeix.

I can go from on method to another. I like them all. I use them all. I mix them.

Thanks to PP, I can manage myself with my horses all right. DVDs are expensive, of course, but I didn't have to pay for a bad trainer anymore... And that makes the method become very cheap in fact!
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post #63 of 122 Old 04-07-2012, 10:42 AM
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Parelli or Anderson

Hi, I've just waded my way through this thread and read a lot of the posts with great interest.

I have all the Parelli DVDs (bar the last 3) and have been a member of the Savvy Club since 2005. I also spent 6 weeks in Florida and have attended numerous Parelli clinics here in the UK. I am also a member of the No Worries Club, have the Fundamentals DVD and plan (when I have the funds) to puchase CA's Intermediate and Advanced DVDs.

Both clinicians are good horseman. Both have excellent timing and can 'read' their horse. Both are excellent showman and successful businessmen. The principals of both these clinicians (and indeed most NH practioners) relies on pressure and release and taking charge of the horses's feet. Different students interpret the instruction in different ways - some more effectively than others. The CA DVDs are similar to the old Parelli levels - easier to follow but more open to 'abuse' by the student.

I don't think Parelli or Anderson are better than each other - just different. In the words of Dr Robert Miller - if he wanted a horse for his mother, he would get Pat to teach it, if he wanted a string of horses for his dude ranch, he'd get Clinton.
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post #64 of 122 Old 04-21-2012, 11:06 PM
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I vote for Clinton. Yes, he is arrogant and downright annoying at times. he does make me laugh at his tour stops though. But I'm not there to be his friend. I am there to learn how to train my horse and have a good relationship with my horse. He is very easy to understand and his methods do work! I have proof in my horse.

Parelli: Wow, I just don't understand most of what he says. And the "horsenality" stuff, I don't really get that either. I think his wife brought that into the program.
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post #65 of 122 Old 04-22-2012, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by its lbs not miles View Post
I've seen things I agree and disagree with from every person promoting their methode of "natural horsemanship". When my grandfather and family members from his generation were mentoring me as young teen the term "natural horsemanship" didn't exist. It was just understanding how horses did things and LOT of common sense. I have an 83 year old 1st cousin once removed who give me pointers in my youth (to many years ago:)) and is still training new horses using patience and common sense (what they now call NH :))
One of my biggest problems with all these "professional NH" system creators is they seem to feel that they're doing it right and the rest aren't as good (and their followers can be fanatical :)). If you see something one does that works well with your horse, then use it. Don't get into lockstep with any one of them. All the horses I've worked with training have each had their own little quirks about what works with them. Somethings have worked with most of them, but not always. If you try something from one of the NH programs that doesn't work, try something from another. There's also no crime in using your own common sense and figuring out your own way that none of them use.

My mentors use to point out that horses are like people with their own personalities. It was the common sense things that stuck with me the most.
You'll never be bigger or stronger, so you have to always be smarter.
Training and teaching a horse to do what you ask because it wants to(rewards and praise help a lot there) always trumps teaching it by force.
Keep discipline fair and use what the horse understands as discipline, not what we think of as discipline (unless you're thinking like a horse).
Stop training if you get frustrated with how things are going. Never train when angry or upset. Do something the horse already does well and you'll both feel better about the days work (you always want to horse to feel willing to train the next time).
Never forget that horses have LONG memories.
There are many ways to skin a cat and many ways to teach a horse.

It wasn't rocket science, just common sense. I find it odd that people are paying so much money to be told how to train a horse using one persons "system".
This brings up some really interesting thoughts in general. For example; you mention that your 83 year old cousin was using "patience and common sense"...I hate to say this, but I would imagine that something like 75 years ago (about the time I would guess your cousin really got "into" training horses), people in general were a LOT LONGER on PATIENCE AND COMMON SENSE! Not just when dealing with animals, but children and ALL things requiring taking the TIME to REASON OUT the best method to do something while obtaining the least amount of RESISTANCE!

I tend to think that IN GENERAL, the older generations were SO MUCH more adept at training animals (and raising children, too, often times). Sometime around the 1960's for a LOT of people, those skills sort of fell by the wayside. Hence the "Natural Horsemanship" folks making their way onto the scene to take millions of $$ from people who are no longer able to figure out the more basic aspects of life in general; along with people being SO CONFUSED by common sense ideas (GENERALLY SPEAKING, not ONLY with HORSE TRAINING, etc...) such as consistency, "stick-tuitiveness", and not running out the moment something doesn't go exactly their way!

I see SO many folks on this forum, despite many being younger than I am, holding fast to these older, previous-generation's engrained ideas, and that is one of the reasons I love reading posts here. It's horse people that are cornering the market, OFTEN TIMES, on INTELLIGENCE, KINDNESS, and the ability to REASON. These are the mentalities which tend to monopolize this forum. I so rarely see those traits in the average co-worker I have, or other non-animal-y person of today, sadly. They tend to look at everything in "fast-food terms"; "How fast can I have it made, eat it, and be on my way?"

Too bad that none of those concepts work when trying to make a horse of sound mind that is going to be with you or someone else, (if training for someone else) for possibly the rest of your/their lives. When one thinks about the fact that each foal takes just about one year to GESTATE, let alone the subsequent couple of years to GROW until being ready for intensive training! How can one look at ANYTHING having to do with horses as "fasttrack"?

IM(humble)O, I think that some part of all of the NH trainers/training methods can have SOMETHING to offer any horseperson looking for very specific answers to specific training problems with their particular horse, but to become, as a previous poster mentioned, "a kool-aid drinker" of ANYONE'S SINGULAR METHODS closes out a world of common sense and practical training ideas that are out there to be tried.

And I also agree with what yet ANOTHER poster said, that I have NOTHING against a trainer endorsing A (as in ONE, or even A COUPLE; possibly TWO) GREAT products which they love and have used throughout their lifetime of work), but when I am watching these folks' half-hour training showcases on RFD-TV and I see that ALL FIVE commercials between segments are THEM advertising and ENDORSING product after product in REALLY GENERIC ways, it makes me consider them to be sell-outs!

I think, "Gosh, they HAVE to be making enough cash JUST with the training they do, let ALONE all the VERY $$$ clinics, the DVDs, books, etc...and NOW they have to add endorsements? And are they EVEN using ANY Of the endorsed products? It's frustrating. I want to respect all of these folks' different methods for the good and toss out the bad, and despite the fact that everyone has to eat, I don't think that without 15-20 endorsements each, they would be surviving on beans and rice five nights per week!!

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Back2horseback, I think of Whoopie Goldberg's sage advice. "Take a deep breath before you speak". It is amazing how effective this is in calming a person's core.
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Originally Posted by Saddlebag View Post
Back2horseback, I think of Whoopie Goldberg's sage advice. "Take a deep breath before you speak". It is amazing how effective this is in calming a person's core.
Does my "core" seem UN"calm" to you? I am willing to shorten my posts if folks prefer, (or you could just skip 'em if I'm too wordy for you; I do tend to have a lot to say in general!), but I can't and won't apologize for enthusiasm!

If you are referring to something else, apologies for assuming you meant my communication style...

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By the way, Saddlebag, if you read carefully what I wrote, you might see that I was giving a HUGE COMPLIMENT to the people of this forum; as they are the ones with more common sense than I often see in other aspects of personal interactions amongst others in day to day life, kindness, (generally speaking!) and who follow the older, tried and true sensible animal care methods, hence my usual enjoyment of learning from reading all sorts of posts here....long and short. It takes all kinds.... :0)

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I agree with many others....common sense, patience and taking what works for you from the big named trainers. I use a lot of Clinton's techniques with great success. I personally think Parelli is a bit over the top as I don't plan to be play buddies with my horse, but that is me. I don't buy their tools, I get what I need locally for a lot less or make my own.
Basically consistency and teaching a horse it isn't going to die from everything that it fears does wonders. Groundwork sets the foundation for riding, respect and safety. That is my two cents worth
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post #70 of 122 Old 05-10-2012, 01:41 AM
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Personally I prefer the so called dull shows... Maybe I'm just turned off by the ones that describe their methods like gangbusters and seem more marketing than sound methods.. Just my personal inclination..
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