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post #11 of 58 Old 08-16-2013, 07:36 PM
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There is a saying: "You cannot change the past, but what you do in the present can change the future. Make it a good one."

Clinging to past anger and pain is very easy, but usually very destructive as well. If I wanted to buy a horse, and I saw one was "Parelli-trained", I'd ignore the ad and keep looking. But in fairness, there have been people on HF who have had positive experiences, or learned something from a licensed Parelli trainer that helped them & their horse.

As a suggestion, take some long rides (or a lot of short ones) and think about what you learned, both about horses and people, and both to the good and to the bad. Maybe write them down, to help you keep track. Then move on. Use what you learned to make tomorrow better...but move on.

"Make the right thing easy and the wrong thing...well, ignore it mostly."
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post #12 of 58 Old 08-16-2013, 07:42 PM
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I never bought into the natural horsemanship trend. DVD's, specialized equipment with brand names that were way to expensive. I pick and choose some things that I use. My trainer who worked with my 3 year old trained under Jonathan Field and I really liked what he did with my gelding. No fancy gadgets, just turned out a really nice horse with the methods he used and it did not cost me my life savings, actually I thought he could have charged a lot more. . AND, I understand the methods and agree with them completely.

I understand the anger behind the OP. I know what it feels like to realize that you have been taken advantage of.
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post #13 of 58 Old 08-16-2013, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by KigerQueen View Post

I Best friend's dad was a trainer for many years. He trained horses of all breeds but preferred western horses, mostly QH and paints, but he has worked with gaited horses, english horses and track horses. He laughs at parelli and says he has never seen more people get hurt then by him and his teachings. Ill stand by him on that as all but one parelli person I have seen has had their horse send them to the hospital. I have no love for the man, and It seams I have more reasons not to now.

I had managed to not be around any of them or their devotees. Until last year.

And what I saw is the same thing that you mention above. Hurt and hospital.

When you get thrown 3 times, double barreled and rolled 4 times and tripped by your own horse that is following you? You need to rethink the NH thing.

When your horse won't stand for bathing you need to rethink NH.

What I saw in a couple of times around the NH people? Only reinforced what I already knew.

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post #14 of 58 Old 08-17-2013, 02:42 AM
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I never bought into PP, always thought he talked for the inexperienced who had little understanding of a horse and what it needed.

As BSMS says, you cannot change the past. Learn from your experiences, nothing is in vain!
My Grandmother always said, "you can always learn from any idiot - even if it is how not to do something!" And this is very true.
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post #15 of 58 Old 08-17-2013, 04:13 AM
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I have had the opportunity to work with people who have gotten themselves into binds with their horses because of Parelli work. Fortunately, they can be "fixed". I don't think any trainer is the end all/be all, but I do find that most of Clinton Anderson's teachings are sensible and work more often than not. There are several good ones out there. If you are smart, you take what works from each one and leave the rest.

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post #16 of 58 Old 08-17-2013, 09:05 AM
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I went on a paid trip to a Parelli three-day seminar in Pennsylvania with my 4-H chapter, as my 4-H leader was becoming utterly obsessed with their system. I was probably about 10 years old at the time, so 10 years ago. I had been taking lessons three days a week consistently since I was 4 years old with the same trainer, who encouraged me (especially since it was free) to go check it out for the hell of it. My instructor has always instilled in me that I should always look into new things, but there is no obligation to use them. That was the EXACT way I felt leaving the Parelli seminar. I was bored to tears during their demonstrations, while I did take some notes and agree with about 3% of the things that they were suggesting. But, at 10 years old, I could have told you how overpriced everything was and that it was a waste of money.

If you train with NH good for you, if you don't - good for you, and if you use a combination - guess what! Good for you! It is all about what works for you and what works for the horse, but this is also totally subjective as it really depends on where your skills are, as well as the horse's. I agree with everyone else, you bought into it for so long, you can't be mad at them for openly taking your money.

Be dominant, not violent. Be assertive, not aggressive. Take in all the information you can get your hands on, but only give out what works, what is true, and/or what is genuinely useful - and only when asked.
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post #17 of 58 Old 08-17-2013, 09:25 AM
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Op-sorry you got "taken". Also too bad it took you 8 yrs to figure it out. But, noones fault but your own. There will always be folks selling snake oil, provided some will buy it.
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post #18 of 58 Old 08-17-2013, 11:24 AM
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OP...Sorry this happened. Sometimes it's a tough thing to accept that what we spent a lot of time and money on is not what we thought.
I have learned a lot from a number of the popular clinicians. There certainly are some of questionable character and talent (IMHO) but many do have a lot to offer...keeping in mind that most of the info is really not new at all.

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post #19 of 58 Old 08-17-2013, 12:50 PM
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I have personally known a couple of trainers that bought into the PP system of fleecing people. Both were decent to good trainers before they got on the PP bandwagon. Both did it because they thought they would make more money and have more clients with the official listing and PP promotion.

WRONG! PP made all of the money and they did all of the work and promotion. Both got out of the system and were thoroughly run down privately and publicly and told what utter failures they were. One was a '3 star' instructor and clinician. I think he is now busy 'fixing' Parelli horses and doing a lot of clinics. They bought into it strictly for the added marketing they thought they were going to get help with. Turned out it cost them more than it made them.

The entire program is set up around marketing and not around horses or horsemanship.

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post #20 of 58 Old 08-17-2013, 01:11 PM
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I Know someone who uses parelli training on the horses she works with. My bf can train a horse to do just about anything in 2 months Yes they are green but they just need miles. She wont even ride them until she had done about 6 months worth of ground work, driving, lunging and playing the games. It works for her but it takes forever. She is not strictly parelli so that may be her saving grace but I would never have her brake a horse for me, Id like to ride it sometime within the first year. Clinton Andersen's methods work a little quicker but Im not for hitting my horse with a stick, she has been beaten enough in her life and 'taping' her with a stick dose not seam like something I want to do. The constant disengaging of the hind quarters has caused my horse to lose her 'engine'. She used to be able to dig in her back legs and go, now she dose not. And my horse is not the only one with that issues for the same reasons. I fallow no trainers like they are training gods. Gimmicks work to an extend and I will not buy into any of them. If it works Ill use it.

I Best friend's dad was a trainer for many years. He trained horses of all breeds but preferred western horses, mostly QH and paints, but he has worked with gaited horses, english horses and track horses. He laughs at parelli and says he has never seen more people get hurt then by him and his teachings. Ill stand by him on that as all but one parelli person I have seen has had their horse send them to the hospital. I have no love for the man, and It seams I have more reasons not to now.
I think CA methods can create some problems , too. I mean, that he spends a lot of time "chasing" the hindquarters, to you end up with a horse that disengages when you look sideways at him. There are lots of folks who credit CA with everything and hold him up like some kind of god, and he certainly has a pretty slick selling machine going for him.
Any trainer how makes it appear so simple that you can break it down into ABC or 123 will have appeal to persons who are not sure what to do and are trying to do it by themselves. I think it's the revolution in horse ownership where people , like me, who have not connection to a rural background , no relatives or friends who grew up wiht horses to steer them, who go into horse ownership with a DIY assumption; that all I need is a "manual" (which leads to a pretty orange stick and some dvd's and some clinics and . . . . .)
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