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        08-17-2013, 02:47 PM
      #21
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
    My Grandmother always said, "you can always learn from any idiot - even if it is how not to do something!" And this is very true.
    What a wise woman, learn, move on.
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        08-17-2013, 05:06 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    Mr Parelli knows how to market and make money. Is that a bad thing? Well I guess not as long as YOU are an expert on what you are marketing. PP and his lovely wife Linda don't have the expertise to back it up and THAT is the issue I have with the money they make...sucking in newbies etc. I made up my mind about Pat and his wife the nanosecond second I watched them ride. Neither one can ride worth a lick....so I have no use for either of them.
         
        08-17-2013, 06:56 PM
      #23
    Foal
    I had my trainer once tell me that I ride better than the Parelli's...then he promptly let me know that it wasn't intended to a compliment, but rather how bad they were at actual riding.

    I personally would never do parelli "training" on my horse. Your original post sounds pretty bitter about money though, you might try explaining why parelli training isn't as effective as the make it out to be. Also pointing out pitfalls with the parelli method, etc, would allow people to understand why they shouldn't use parelli training.
         
        08-17-2013, 07:03 PM
      #24
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by showjumperachel    
    I had my trainer once tell me that I ride better than the Parelli's...then he promptly let me know that it wasn't intended to a compliment, but rather how bad they were at actual riding.

    I personally would never do parelli "training" on my horse. Your original post sounds pretty bitter about money though, you might try explaining why parelli training isn't as effective as the make it out to be. Also pointing out pitfalls with the parelli method, etc, would allow people to understand why they shouldn't use parelli training.
    But the money DOES have something to do with it. The buyer is being sold a faulty bill of goods, because neither Parelli can "walk the talk"...they can only talk it and bilk a ton of money.
         
        08-17-2013, 08:35 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    If the Parelli system has one major downfall it's that it tends to create the impression that horsemanship can be bought, and it's only those people who stick around horses long enough that realize the illusion of that idea. The commercialism does nothing to enhance the reality of that truth - but it can lead a person to the start of the path. Personally, my interest in better horsemanship began with studying Clinton Anderson - but it didn't end there. It sounds like you've found some new, arguably better teachers as well! I agree with what others have said. I bet that you can take all that experience you gained and use it to your advantage if you tried. Don't waste your energy trying to prove PP and company wrong. Become the horseman YOU envision, not the one Pat does!
         
        08-18-2013, 12:47 AM
      #26
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    Originally Posted by Saskia    
    I think Parelli has it's place. Years ago I got the book "Natural Horse-man-ship" ($40 or so - not breaking the bank) or whatever it was called that Parelli had written. To me, it did explain things in a different way. I was a kid and new to horses so explaining how yielding, circling etc was important to appeal to me, and taught me a bit, a new perspective. I don't know if Clinton was around back then, but there wasn't much internet, so you could only read what you could buy in your local saddlery. So Parelli and Roberts for NH, then other traditional riders for dressage/showjumping etc. I remember they had Monty Robert's books in the library and I read them all, learning about herd dynamics, signals - stuff that had never been taught to me in riding lessons. From each of those I took some things on boards, forgot the rest and moved on.

    That's the way I view these horse training philosophies, I read them, understand them, maybe try out some of what they propose. If it works for me in practice then I take it on board. I'll spend $30 - $50 on a book, which I think is reasonable, and that's that. I've never blindly thrown myself into a trainer spending thousands of dollars into the training. I've never closed my mind and just followed one, even as a 12 year old kid I knew that wasn't the way. That the way to becoming good at anything is learning from a variety of sources.

    You decided to go out and spend thousands of dollars on following this man. The people who follow him are people who just want the answers to everything neatly packaged up, rather than working it out for themselves. Thinking critically, analysing what people say and do, it's harder. It's easier if you just follow one person, one philosophy, all the work is done for you.

    Now, eight years on you've worked that out. There is no point being angry. Parelli did not make you do this, he merely offered a service that you decided to purchase and use for eight years. What you learned would never be redeemable for a material sum, they were experiences that you must have valued to continue it for eight years. Now that you are dissatisfied with Parelli doesn't mean that your experiences have less value.

    As to his personality, the personality of his staff, it's hard to know. He's marketed a persona, and likely that's all it is. So what. Celebrities do it all the time. Whether he is or isn't a nice person doesn't matter. Whether they "rule by fear" or not doesn't matter. They're a private organisation that sells courses. They can do what they like. They sell a product, nothing more. They're not going to always get along with you, they're not going to always do what people want. Yet for eight years you followed them loyally, so they can't be so bad.

    Forget your anger, and move on. It's not worth being upset. Rather than speaking badly of the system, encourage people to read around and make up their own mind.

    Best of luck!
    I agree. Parelli helped me when I was new in horses. Looking back now, it wasn't because he was this magnificent trainer, but his instruction/personality, weather it was real or not, helped me feel confident and calm. I can't really explain this well and probably sounds ridiculous, I know. But purchasing a cheap book and going to a clinic for free wasn't too bad for what I learned with my horse, despite if it was only smoke and mirrors that got me there.

    Now, that I feel I have graduated in the horse world.....I don't see it that way any longer.
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        08-18-2013, 12:52 AM
      #27
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    Wish I could say I felt I'd graduated@! Today I did a little round pen, line work with Z and basically just proceeded to confus the heck out of him. He's a good sport, tho and tolerates a multitude of stumbling on my part. Some horses would not be so generous.
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        08-18-2013, 12:56 AM
      #28
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    Originally Posted by Ian McDonald    
    If the Parelli system has one major downfall it's that it tends to create the impression that horsemanship can be bought, and it's only those people who stick around horses long enough that realize the illusion of that idea. The commercialism does nothing to enhance the reality of that truth - but it can lead a person to the start of the path. Personally, my interest in better horsemanship began with studying Clinton Anderson - but it didn't end there. It sounds like you've found some new, arguably better teachers as well! I agree with what others have said. I bet that you can take all that experience you gained and use it to your advantage if you tried. Don't waste your energy trying to prove PP and company wrong. Become the horseman YOU envision, not the one Pat does!
    That's an EXCELLENT way to put what I was trying to say previously....Parelli lead me to start the path.....but it turned out not to be a 'Parelli' path. I basically 'used' Parelli I guess, gaining my own common sense and training sense over time.

    Clinton Anderson didn't appeal to me when I started this journey because it was too much for MY personality to handle. I couldn't be assertive like that, and if I did, my horse would have felt more threatened and I would have retreated.....and it would have been disastrous. So, if you want to call it....the 'calmer' approach....worked for me to get myself together and not feel intimidated. In turn, it worked out and I learned now when I NEED to be assertive and I'm not scared to do it, when needed. I think when people feel a 'connection', weather it's emotional, right or wrong....it gives them inspiration in some sense....at least it did me. And I never had to invest all the money because I could sort out what the approach was with the stuff I already had.

    Now I can say Buck has taught me the most.
         
        08-18-2013, 12:58 AM
      #29
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    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    wish I could say I felt I'd graduated@! Today I did a little round pen, line work with Z and basically just proceeded to confus the heck out of him. He's a good sport, tho and tolerates a multitude of stumbling on my part. Some horses would not be so generous.
    Tiny...all that matters is that you care enough to try! My horses, I'm sure, if they could laugh at me, they would be doing it constantly! But that is also the joy that I get from them... I can be my dorky self and they don't care, we just go on! The horses that aren't as generous in the beginning, eventually come around and feel sorry for us I think...lol.
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        08-18-2013, 03:56 PM
      #30
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Oldhorselady    
    Clinton Anderson didn't appeal to me when I started this journey because it was too much for MY personality to handle. I couldn't be assertive like that, and if I did, my horse would have felt more threatened and I would have retreated.....and it would have been disastrous.
    I know what you mean - ultimately I had a similar experience. I must have naturally gravitated that way initially because it's very easy for me to be assertive with a horse. Ultimately I think we all develop our own style of approaching horses anyway, and we all 'steal' from each other all the time - including Pat Parelli. If you listen to him talk he's all the time mentioning names of other horsemen he's learned from. Even if he does make it sound like they're all his best friends (or were, when they were alive) when that isn't necessarily true LOL.
         

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