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        08-21-2013, 03:33 PM
      #41
    Foal
    Thank you for sharing your experiences and for wanting to warn others so they are not taken advantage of. I feel your posting has a lot of value. Of course you are upset with them - I feel with good reason. Getting it out in the open will allow you to eventually be free from the bad taste in your mouth. Perhaps give yourself a time limit though. Establish a date after which you will no longer look back to the bad experiences you had and rather, look forward to where you can go from here to become a happy horsewoman who again looks forward to working with and being around her horses regardless of what others think or say. Pick a date and stick to it.

    Like many, I could see right through PP way back in the early 80's when he was first making an appearance in the US. It didn't hurt that he was good "eye candy", but he spent more time hawking his wares than actually working with the horses during a clinic. It only got worse as time went on and I couldn't stomach the guy and his arrogant ego.

    It is just the difference in human nature that some "see through" people much quicker than others. Everyone is different. I don't believe it is fair for others to judge you for not getting out sooner. There isn't one person who hasn't made mistakes themselves. The important thing is to learn from it and change our course as a result. It is good that at least you are done with PP now.

    I find that it is also human nature to discount the validity of what someone in your position has to say. It is much like those who accuse the victim of abuse for being responsible for how they were treated. It is a very unfortunate reaction.

    At the same time, I do believe that we are all responsible for our own actions and words. You are accepting responsibility for the fact that you stayed in longer than you ought to have. PP needs to accept responsibility for any misleading and/or unethical actions. Any of the current big-shot horse trainers need to do the same thing.

    As in so many of the activities related to horses, from showing to training, to even boarding, it's all too often, All About the Money and rarely about the horses. It is up to us as horse owners to refocus the emphasis to being truly about what is best for the horse First.

    Now go enjoy the search for methods that make more sense to you and utilize the valuable knowledge you gained from your experience. Use what you like and cast aside the rest. Listen to your little voice along the way. Best wishes to you as you move forward in a new direction.
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        08-21-2013, 03:55 PM
      #42
    Foal
    Your thread was full of compassion and what is right for the horse and owner I have never had dealings with them , however a did go to a Mark rashid clinic once and had a giggle at probally some very silly behaviour I would not have bought the book , video or anything else . Horses are what they are - In the face , on the ground and in the saddle - x This will be learnt in time with people who truly have the compassion - I do get cross that this knowledge is abused for money and quick fixes . Thank you for sharing .
         
        08-21-2013, 06:36 PM
      #43
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    [QUOTE=roo;3416457]....if people want to support them and find that the program is working for them,why shouldnt they? QUOTE]

    That is the lesson in the Bible, when G-d asked Cain where Abel was, & Cain said, "Am I my brother's keeper?"
         
        08-22-2013, 12:40 AM
      #44
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    Northern, weren't you a big supporter of PP in the past? What happened?
    I remember many arguments with you where you would argue to death for them.


    To the OP, I can't even imagine why it took you 8 years to figure it out. But I fundamentally think you are right. Did you not hear of Linda and the lead rope clip in the blind horses face, or Catwalk during that time?
    Did nothing happen, all the stories to wake you up?

    Yes they are scammers, and people do choose to be scammed over educating themselves. However I do think that's blaming the victim a little. In an ideal world, there would not be scammers - I tend to stay awake late, and so get to hear infomericals, 99% of them are a scam.
         
        08-22-2013, 09:08 AM
      #45
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    Another Parelli thread... Oh goodie, as if the forum needed another one....
         
        08-22-2013, 10:12 AM
      #46
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    I think people often do stick with these trainers for far too long because they get this notion in their heads that its not working because they are doing something wrong and failing in some way - not the program itself
    Its not so easy to have self confidence when you're quite new to horses especially when you're faced with a force like the Parellis that are so overpowering and convincing
    As for researching them - well you could do all of that and still come up with thousand of happy satisfied PP followers so what is the amateur supposed to believe
    Its very difficult
    I saw the fiasco with Catwalk - it did put a lot of people off them, many walked out of that building and demanded their money back yet the owner of that horse (one of the famed showjumping Whittaker family) continued his relationship with the Parelli's and sent horses to Parelli trainer and devotee James Roberts (now deceased) so what were people supposed to deduce from that. That it was all OK and just a glitch.
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        08-22-2013, 02:19 PM
      #47
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    It's like a cult and no matter if a PP follower gets run over or injured by a horse undergoing that training, they still won't see the light.

    I have watched this short vid of PP with Catwalk on day 2. I could pick it apart, but I don't have time. However, aside from what happened to Catwalk on day 1, there is one HUGE glaring fault here and it has to do with SAFETY. See PP standing over this horses head, see how fast that horse could throw its head up and send splinters of PPs nasal bones up into his brain? I've heard of a lady doing just what he is doing, horse threw its head up and sent the lady to heaven. Why he is standing there like that is beyond me, it's horsemanship 101 - SAFETY FIRST? If this is how he teaches newbies, then he has done them a great disservice indeed.

    (And I bet the horse loved the sandwich....)

         
        08-22-2013, 02:33 PM
      #48
    Trained
    You know what struck me the most about that video, Muppet? PP looks more than mildly uncomfortable/anxious while working with the horse. Not at all as confident as you would expect from a "professional."
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        08-22-2013, 02:38 PM
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    You know what struck me the most about that video, Muppet? PP looks more than mildly uncomfortable/anxious while working with the horse. Not at all as confident as you would expect from a "professional."
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    Yes you're absolutely right. Even when he was feeding it the sandwhich he was leaning back away from it. I could tell he had fumbly hands the whole time - fumbly hands = anxiety.
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        08-22-2013, 03:33 PM
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    What I could never understand is why the Whittakers who have been around horses for generations and know their job as well as and better than most in the business needed someone like PP to sort out a problem - basically they don't
    No horse coming off their yards would be unhandled, that horse had travelled to Stoneleigh in Warwickshire from Yorkshire where they're based, no way would they risk such a valuable horse if it was so difficult on a journey like that just to entertain PP fans
    This is the same horse now
         

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