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    08-22-2013, 04:56 PM
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AlexS, I was & still am a supporter of PNH's principles of horsemanship (easily accessed in his book) & foundation Levels 1 & 2, after a few misdirectives given by Linda are corrected (sit heavy to back up, etc.)

I've found that the classical teachers teach differently than Linda is teaching the dressage, that there seems to be a communication breakdown between Walter Zettl & the Parellis, because he IS qualified, as well as the qualified teachers who worked with her at their dressage summit. She claims to have had the epiphany about what "contact" is, & they don't say boo (look at a video of Nuno Oliveira riding - he needed Linda to show him about contact?) & she's teaching explicit rider-position stuff, involving clenching major muscle groups, that differs with classical.

I see that classical is correct, it extends the lives of horses & makes them happy, & even the Mongols & American Indians didn't need Linda to show them anything.

Pat, to his credit, never claimed to be revolutionizing any part of true horsemanship: he always said his way is vaquero horsemanship & "natural hms is so old it's new again". I feel that Pat needed to have remained the chief of the outfit.

To add to the problems in PNH, I learned over the years that Pat has what I call "loose screw moments" coupled with cover-up stories: his trailer-load of the horse that escaped out of the trailer whilst Pat was schmoozing with his female owner, his being over-horsed with Catwalk, his holding the rein taut & causing Troubador to go into a spin then a buck at contest, throwing Pat (& Pat saying that it was a voluntary dismount). The loose screw moments happen rarely, thus it isn't fair to say that he's a lousy horseman; nevertheless, it's stressful when one's teacher has those moments.

Then, there's the intimidation & $ corruption described by OP, as well as the high-end merchandise & hugs sums required to try & carve out a career as an instructor. OP, after spending thousands, surely shouldn't've been treated as she was, for simply piping up that the course didn't deliver, e.g.

So, yes, the principals found in the book & most of L1-2 are great! :)


Eta: I do see the anxious look in Pat's face there with Catwalk; that says that Pat was over-horsed with Catwalk; a picture's worth a thousand words.
     
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    08-22-2013, 06:09 PM
  #52
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Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum    
You know what struck me the most about that video, Muppet? PP looks more than mildly uncomfortable/anxious while working with the horse. Not at all as confident as you would expect from a "professional."
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Yep...any you know why? He was out-horsed, doesn't have the experience he thinks he does, he was in front of an audience and let his inexperience and ego get to him. Why people fawn all over him and his wife (who...by the way, brags that SHE is the ONLY one to have discovered the secret to getting a horse "on the bit"....LOL) I have no idea. It just blows my mind.
     
    08-22-2013, 06:09 PM
  #53
Yearling
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Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum    
You know what struck me the most about that video, Muppet? PP looks more than mildly uncomfortable/anxious while working with the horse. Not at all as confident as you would expect from a "professional."
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Yep...any you know why? He was out-horsed, doesn't have the experience he thinks he does, he was in front of an audience and let his inexperience and ego get to him. Why people fawn all over him and his wife (who...by the way, brags that SHE is the ONLY one to have discovered the secret to getting a horse "on the bit"....LOL) I have no idea. It just blows my mind.
     
    08-22-2013, 06:10 PM
  #54
Yearling
Sorry guys....didn't meant to post that twice.
     
    08-22-2013, 07:24 PM
  #55
Trained
^^ That's OK. Some things deserve repeating.

In my short time around horses, I've found out that ego can get you in a world of hurt with them...
     
    08-22-2013, 09:13 PM
  #56
Trained
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Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
Yep...any you know why? He was out-horsed, doesn't have the experience he thinks he does, he was in front of an audience and let his inexperience and ego get to him. Why people fawn all over him and his wife (who...by the way, brags that SHE is the ONLY one to have discovered the secret to getting a horse "on the bit"....LOL) I have no idea. It just blows my mind.

I agree, to me he looked like he was losing his patience.
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    08-25-2013, 02:12 AM
  #57
Foal
Jonathan Fields is a Parelli graduate as well.
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    08-25-2013, 02:19 AM
  #58
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
Wow, you're really bitter about the Parellis, aren't you?

I've known for years the Parellis were just smoke and mirrors, expensive gadgets, and had a cult-like following, but I don't begrudge them making money.

If people are going to get their panties in a wad about being taken for suckers, they should be angry at themselves. Nobody forced you to give up your money to follow them, and now that you've become disenchanted you want to take them down? Sorry, but they're still allowed to make money as long as people are willing to buy what they're selling.

You finally figured out the scam. Good for you. But there are others who think the system works, and they should be allowed to continue without harassment from the disillusioned.
Great response. I agree with you speed racer. Not a big fan of what they do, but all the power to them for being so successful.
     

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