Pat or Clint

Your computer must offer better resolution than mine does.

Then I need to ask what video you where watching? Again I know this horse. Have watched him since he was born. Have watched him show. He loves his job. He is showing in that video he is paying attention to the rider. He dose not look up set in the video or in person. The riders hands did not move more then a few inch from the center and he was using one hand where PP was using 2 hands and pulling to the side vs neck reining the horse into the turn. If you can not see the difference then you need to go back and learn some more about what is going on.

Also watch the horse. In the video of the pally you will see his turns are correct vs PP turns which where not. It is more then the fact that PP is using 2 hands and pulling the horse through the turn. His horse is not performing the turn correctly.

The fact is that I have watched this horse run a number of times over the years. I know this horse quite well. He is a nice horse. Knows and loves his job and is well trained. Can score quite well. More of a non pro horse then an open horse but that just shows he has a good mind.

Also.. What I mean by harsher is it can deffinitely do more damage than other bits if not used correctly or overused.
Again, I'm saying a difference of opinion is okay, I respect your guys thoughts and opinions.. But saying someone can't do this or that then feeling the need to state why you're right and everyone else is wrong isn't.. I've only been asking for you to stop picking on Pat..
Now, I won't be on all weekend, maybe this weekend I'll get to see my horse one last time before she is very likely sold... I don't know how I am going to cope without her..
But anyways, just one last little thing before I leave this thread... A good horseman, and a good rider, you can be both... But there is a difference between the two. A good rider knows how to sit well in his seat and give cues and commands well... Well a good horseman knows how a horse is feeling and what it's thinking, he is less likely to be suprised by the unexpected, because he expected the unexpected and was prepared to fix it. He knows what happens before what happens happens.
It is possible to be both, it is also possible to lack in one or the other. But it doesn't make you a bad person, which I feel that you guys are making him really sound like

NO one is picking on Pat. We are stating facts in evidence. I am stating what I have seen of him in person and on the videos that are posted. Some over the years are even worse then the one posted on here but he has had them taken down b/c they show how truly bad he is and he can not take the criticism.

You asked why. We stated why and give evidence to support the why. The video you posted of the pally again shows how a NON PRO rider is even better then PP who is suppose to be a PRO Trainer. If you can not see the difference then you need to go back and study some more and learn a lot more.

Do not think anyone said PP was a bad PERSON. We said he is a bad rider and just an OK trainer.

But he is a superb marketer! No can deny that!
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Absolutely, wares! I am in awe of his mad skillz at marketing!

I know, that's why it'd be so awesome to have someone do the whole big ball silliness and the jumpy trot thing too. Maybe then, the same stuff side by side, things would get noticed...

... or maybe not.

In what universe ??!

I bet if you asked Pat, he would admit to not being the best rider. He rides better than I do. I am not shy to admit that.

Anyway, the original question here was Pat or Clint. We haven't heard much about Clint. Anyone?