Pat or Clint

I have the book "Consider the Horse" too. I love it!

I don't like PP one bit, but what I have used of CA's method has worked great for me.

I wouldn't let either of them anywhere near my horse!

I think most trainers have something to offer, but I think Clint's way is more adaptable to various horses and situations and has a bit more of a straightforward approach toward the horse (less tendency to give mixed signals). Though, I also think that people can use his method easily to abuse a horse that is fearful, and confuse fearful responses with disrespectful/aggressive horses (such as with horses that have been abused and learned aggression response vs. horses that have been spoiled and learned the same- the approach is a little bit different).

So far as who I'd like to ride my horse? My mare would teach either one of them a good lesson in humility because she really seems to have the mindset of "I gave you the right to work with me, so work with me right" (and your privileges may be revoked at any time if you get cocky about it, I'm still bigger than you"

(She really is a very sweet, willing horse, just a little peculiar.)

[QUOTE=kayhmk;1873335]I know, that's why it'd be so awesome to have someone do the whole big ball silliness and the jumpy trot thing too. Maybe then, the same stuff side by side, things would get noticed...

... or maybe not.

If you want to see the "jumpy trot thing" done correctly, just look up piaffe on Youtube.

While I respect people who train horses for a living, I choose not to stick to one person. I couldn't say I'm a Parelli fan, a Clint fan, a Buck fan or any of those people. It's not that I don't believe them, I just choose not to idolize any one. I like to take a little bit from all kinds of people and bring it together into a method that works for me. I get just as good training advice from my friends who ride as I do from attending workshops, reading books and watching videos. And I save money.

Hello, I'm new to this forum and am looking forward to learning from everyone here! I ride huntseat, mainly trail ride now but used to fox hunt and show. I attended a 3 day clinic in Gay, Ga with Chris Cox in Nov, 2012 and it was the most amazing experience with my horse ever! I've seen PP on TV and on a tour stop, I just don't like how he rhymes everything and the whole monster-production/light show blaring music crap. Saw CA on a tour stop 2 years ago and liked what he did with the horses those two days but he is very expensive. Saw CC a year ago and I think he is more humble and down to earth. I will say I think CC explains things to the people he's working with a little better than CC, but once you watch CC on RFDTV you figure out his lingo for what he wants you to do. I am living for the day I cn do a 5 day clinic with CC!

Wow. I learned a lot from this thread. I didn't really know much about either trainer (as I don't really stick to just one person) but I have to say I do not really care for either of them at this point. I'll have to spend a day looking at videos of different trainers!

As for the arguments about it - It seems that the younger riders (I know at least one poster on this thread is 12) are very stuck in their opinions even though the older seasoned riders point out very valid flaws. I think that, as they grow older and get more training, it'll be easier to see the problems Pat has with his riding. (And I only say Pat because that was a majority of the argument). I'm sure quite a few of us knew it all when we were young, too ;)

Oh hell, when I was 13, no one could tell me anything, and all through high school I was stubborn and stuck in my ways. Then when my parents kicked me out I got a big wake up call and a good thump from reality, took to my horses for a living and realized everything I had been doing wrong.

Interesting that PP says a partner walks beside you and yet trains the horse to walk behind the handler.

From knowing pp/jl/ca/cc personally, I would take cc if I had to choose. NO way it would be pp or jl. Are they all horsemen in the first place? Yes, that's how they got their starts. But the $$ machines took over from common sense. And imho the three day break the horse and show us shows the nature of the riders, that they will sacrifice for a win. Too many of the methods tend to 'truncate' the neck for my purposes (the whole horse in alignment/dressage). But the entire way of reining has changed over the years (I rode top western eq/etc). One used to spin around in hindlegs. Now the hind is pushing backwards, and the necks dropped in a slide rather than arced. Try stopping a real cow with straightened hindlegs and a low neck....the horse would be pulled along since they are onto the forelegs and have no folding of the hindleg joints.

Oh that's what it's supposed to be? I couldn't even tell!

Seriously, I thought it was some sort of Stomp The Ground Ambling Dance Movement(TM) thingy.