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    03-01-2013, 05:15 PM
Originally Posted by kayhmk    
Seriously, I thought it was some sort of Stomp The Ground Ambling Dance Movement(TM) thingy.

Haha! Sorry but that's funny...
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    03-01-2013, 11:31 PM
Originally Posted by Shoebox    
As for the arguments about it - It seems that the younger riders (I know at least one poster on this thread is 12) are very stuck in their opinions even though the older seasoned riders point out very valid flaws. I think that, as they grow older and get more training, it'll be easier to see the problems Pat has with his riding. (And I only say Pat because that was a majority of the argument). I'm sure quite a few of us knew it all when we were young, too ;)
I figure if someone is young enough to be a Justin Bieber fan they haven't been "training" horses long enough to know...
    03-01-2013, 11:34 PM
Hey hey, what if I'm a JB fan!!! Haha, just kidding. Dave Stamey and Adrian Brannan are more my style.
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    03-01-2013, 11:41 PM
^^^ LOL! I had to explain to hubby who Justin Bieber was the other day, so does that make me just as guilty because I knew???
    03-01-2013, 11:42 PM
I'd just call that "educated in the ways of the world" lol! My hubby probably wouldn't know either
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    03-01-2013, 11:46 PM
Oh, okay, I was kinda worried ....tee he ;)
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    03-04-2013, 12:03 PM
I do have to shout out loud here: 'a stubborn horse walks behind you, an impatient horse walks in front of you, but a noble horse walks right beside you' - sorry, but what nonsense is that ??? I have studied the horse's language for years, and this statement is sentimental, humanized, amateurish and has nothing to do with the horse's natural communication. Is this a comment from Pat Parelli? I am very surprised if it is, because I thought he at least knew about horse language ! In a horse herd the front horse is the lead mare - she shows the way. All horses in the group behind her are more or less equal, they walk beside each other and the lead stallion is in principle behind the group (The foals are walking very closely beside their mother or behind her, but that is another story because they are under her protection and have a special status in this way). So a trustful, confident and noble horse may be either in front of you or behind you - both can mean that you are in a dominant position, though of course also both positions can be forced through by using predatorlike behaviour as is so often done in Natural Horsemanship based training. But if a horse walks beside the person it is either saying - hey dude - we are equal so right now lets walk the same way as long as I like it, or it is simply mentally dead. In the case of Pat Parelli I will bet that it is mentally dead after having been sent round and round by the predator until giving up its spirit. Folks, I know it looks convincing but try to sense the horse - try to see the expression in the eyes - or the lack of expression - they are simply not there! They even drag their feet after them because there is no life spirit left - even by riding they do it, and their norses are nearly in the dust. Are they proud horses? I would not let any of these prats near any horse at all - end of story!
And if you need some comparisment in order to see the difference, have a look at the way Klaus Hempfling works - with him the horses are alive, they are powerful, they are feeling great and strong, but they respect him as the ultimate leader, and then also give him the complete responsibility of their life - which is exactly what we have and therefore we have to be so extremeley careful what we do to our horses. We need to treat them with respect!
    03-04-2013, 12:22 PM
Looks like a good way to get your head pawed in or trampled.. I know that horse couldn't get a days work done for me. I wouldn't own him if you paid me..
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    03-04-2013, 12:59 PM
Best trained horse I had would walk right beside me. I knew where he was at all times, he didn't spook and run into me, and we had a wonderful relationship. I was the leader and he helped me do what I needed to do. Whether that was bringing in 15 milk cows/nurse cows morning and night (with a saddle or bareback), going for a 10 mile ride for the fun of it, ponying unbroke horses for their first ride, pulling firewood out of the bush, moving calves, or when I put one of my siblings on his back for ride.
I trained this horse to walk beside me while I was feeding the herd of horses their oats. We had 13 head of horses ranging from 8 to yearlings. They were pretty frisky at feeding time running around and bucking/kicking. There were a few (not mine) that were known to kick at people. I would put my gelding, Zayn, (lead horse at the time) at my side so the other horses wouldn't challenge me. When I ended up selling him, I trained the next lead horse to do this. I found it the safest way to handle the herd.
So after all those stories (sorry), I find the safest place for my horse is right at my side.
    03-05-2013, 12:16 AM
Well - nice pan flute music *shrugs*
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