Pat or Clint

I want a lungewhip like that. Know where I can get one?

Ok.....

Bieber or ??????

I have little room to talk, as I joined this forum at a younger age than maybe desired by most members.

But, PLEASE give at least a little more consideration to spelling and grammar. I think that you will come to find that not only will more people actually take you seriously, but that your age will not show nearly as much as it does right now.

This is a happy forum, of which we all share our own intellect and debate, and I am not a grammar nazi, but this also comes with a trade-off of which we respect each other with consideration of our ability to read.

Whew, rant over.

Tiny, it looks like a broken fishing pole to me

LOL! Selena Gomez?


About the Hempfling video....

I guess I just don't see the appeal and "majik" with these types of videos. It is way too Black Stallion-ish for me.

It's seems like a lot of natural horsemanship trainers put across the feeling like 'if you follow my program you'll never have problem horse and everything will fit in together perfectly.' Not all of them but I get that feeling with a lot of them. I'll tell you, (and most of you know this) even if you do try 'natural horsemanship' it's a LOT of hard work! And guess what, you still get problems and problem horses.

I think a lot of horse problems stem from not working and not having something to do. The times my horses behaved the best and came to me to get caught, was when I was riding every day, sometimes twice a day. They'd nicker when they saw me coming and would run over to me.

So I gathered that horses enjoy working and having purpose as much as people do. We all feel better if we do a day's work (physical or mental work) instead of sittting around and doing nothing.
My conclusion would be that which ever you do (NH or not), and who ever you 'follow', you still have a lot of work ahead of you and you must 'eat the meat and spit out the bones' in any method.
Hope you could follow that!
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I think the word Natural Horsemanship implies that we should be talking about speaking a natural language with the horses, and personally I think it should be the horse's language, not the predator versus prey which is the case with both Pat and Clint. But of course they are good at getting a horse to just 'function' and if that is the issue - OK - go ahead. But I think the ultimate natural horsemanahip must the kind where the horse chooses to be with the human being and has fun together with the human - but still respects him. And if you try to look at the Hempfling video with an open mind (taking off the cowboy boots and hat for a few minutes) then you will notice how respectfully this horse is 'playing' with his master. But I can imagine you would not like to own him, because certainly that is a stallion with character and spirit, and I guess that is often unwanted. But why then bother about being natural???

By the way TinyLiny - that lungewhip is for cart-driving and it is very, very good for liberty work (there are many bad ones but look for one which is medium flexible) - unfortunately I only know where to purchase them in Europe but if you want a link let me know.

Clearly! Nobody here wants character and spirit in their stallions. Nope, no sir. And besides, it's impossible to achieve unless they are flitting about like in the video.

Good question! Because if we are being truthful about it, natural would mean that none of us would even have horses. They'd be out running about across the wild prairie and this guy you like so much would be using that pole to fish or something.

I thought it might be a carriage whip. But it almost looks like it's made out of bamboo. I would like to see a link, just out of curiosity.

Statelilne and sneiders and Carriage Driving Whips - Driving Essentials, Inc. all have driving whips. I got mine in europe (piaffe/in hand whips), but that maker of those is actually in Massachusetts (a wholesaler to the world):http://westfieldwhip.com