Originally Posted by CronesHubby
ok...first off I gong to be completely blunt with this...you're foolish if you really want to speak the horses language...I want to watch you get kicked in the ribs by a 1100 pound horse and walk away or bit by a lead horse for not moving your feet when told to do so and watch you getting your organs put back in your body in the emergency room.
Wow! I don't even know where to start with this one. What is a horses purpose? I resent the fact that you say just to "function" because if this was the case no one would own horses because they are WILD animals. They were domesticated for a PURPOSE ...aka a "function" but I guess you see a dog is the same way being trained huh? Just to function? Same difference.
See above remark....A horse would not "choose" to be with anyone. They are WILD animals.
Again, if you want an 1100 pound horse "playing" with you...I want a video when you get kicked or bit and end up with broken ribs or a serious injury from a bite because eventually a horses "playing" is going to get your hurt or killed. Go for it. I'll keep demanding my horse knows Im the alpha.
You're damn right I wouldnt own a stallion with "character or spirit" because again you're going to get seriously hurt or killed without that stallion knowing who is the herd leader...ME! I honestly don't know if you understand what is meant by "natural" either that or you are just taking it to extremes.
Also, you may want to learn the more about predator/pray animals. Horse are in fact a pray animal. The difference being that any animal with their eyes on the SIDE of their head (horses, elephants, gazelles) are in fact a pray animal and an animal with eyes on the front of their head is a predator(lion, tigers etc.) You cannot change what nature has done and if you think you can change the "cycle of life" go for it.
Its not about literally speaking the horses language its about trying to 'read' the horse and so understand why its behaving the way it does. Mock all you like but it can save you an awful lot of time in the long run because horses react in many different ways for many reasons - spooking is a good example of this.
A horse that 'just functions' isnt a willing horse, its very often a sour , bored, begrudging horse - and this is something you often see in horses produced the Parelli way. Hempfling's methods are the not the same as those used by PP or CA - he is not into what we typically recognise as Natural Horsemanship
Hempfling is not a young man now, he's been working with horses in his own way for many years and managed to survive so he must be doing something right to earn that trust and respect from them without breaking their spirit
No one is saying that horses are not prey animals - Hempfling recognises that which is why his way is that we don't take on the role as predator - horses don't trust predators and tend to run away from them, fear them and avoid them. The example is in how some people use the round pen situation to intimidate and exhaust a horse in the way that a predator hunts down its victim so the result is a defeated animal and not a willing one where the aim has been to use it to develop a relationship and trust situation.
Having a horse respect you and lean on you as its leader, partner, alpha means that its not going to regard you as something to attack and injure but see you as someone it can rely on in all situations
The 'real' alpha horse in the herd is not the aggressive bully, its the solid reliable passive horse that they trust.
If you don't like his methods (and you've taken the time to research them)then fine but I see no reason for you to be so arrogant and rude about something that other people do find interesting and useful and a training method that has had a lot of success all across Europe. Even respected western trainers - including many of the older ones have voiced negative comments about the prey/predator approach and the sort of horses that come out of it