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Pat or Clint

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#1 ·
who would you choose to train your horse with you personally i would say pat especially since he doesn't bad words to my horse
 
#5 ·
Well, I am NOT a fan of Pat's. I tried his stuff once and couldn't get past all of the garbage. I have tried some of Clintons stuff, and have a lot of his groundwork dvd's. What I have done works well for me. I do not follow a single trainer though. There are plenty of other good trainers out there.
 
#7 · (Edited)
If those two guys were the only options in the world, I'd take Clinton. I don't know that much about his methods or whether I would personally like them or the guy himself, but from simply watching video clips I think he's more capable. I think he could take my horse further in the direction I'd want to go. His quality of riding is better and I've generally liked the look and feel of CA trained horses better.
 
#9 ·
Simple. He can't ride a stick horse to the well, he plows around on his horse's face like a caveman, he markets trick training under horsemanship and MANY of the horses trained with his methods are cranky and disrespectful...
 
#20 ·
the way i see it is that we all use are horses for different things, we also all learn differently. just because you dont like a particular method does not mean it doesnt work for someone else, or it wont help someone else. i really like CA, but i dont 'follow' him exclusively bc i event, he obviously does not ! that doesnt mean i havent learned anything from him, but he cant teach me everything.

luckily there is more than one trainer in the world and we can pick who we want to follow.
 
#23 ·
I agree with you there. But I feel like Pat is kind of being picked on here, for something that doesn't really have anything to do with training a horse.. Who cares how he ssits? There's obviously a reason for it. He used to ride broncs for a living at one point, so maybe he's got a past injury that we don't know about. I have a biography book on him as well, and can say that all throughout the book they only talked about one injury... Where he got all the skin nearly ripped off his thumb, that's it
 
#26 ·
Nope, watch this video and tell me he isn't plowing on e reins.. Way too much contact for a western horse in a curb bit... And this is supposed to be a finished horse! The guy can't ride..

 
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#27 ·
Nope, watch this video and tell me he isn't plowing on e reins.. Way too much contact for a western horse in a curb bit... And this is supposed to be a finished horse! The guy can't ride..

Pat Parelli and Magic - YouTube
You beat me too it. I was just going to post this one.

Got to love how much he is pulling on the horses mouth how little his hands move when needed and how he pulls the horse round in the turns. Which by the way are NOT CORRECT at all.
 
#31 ·
Maybe if some people would stop talking as if PP is the only one that can do things or teach things then he wouldnt be getting so much stick
Perhaps its not the man who's to blame but the fans who think he should be sat on a pedestal above everyone else?
There are loads of great trainers out there all teaching much the same stuff, learn from them all if they have something worth offering
PS - All of my horses walk alongside me on a long rope - or even with no rope at all - does that make me great? No it doesnt.
All of this makes me think about 'Who's your favourite pop star (is that what they call them nowadays?)
Sorry but it seems very childish
 
#32 ·
Pat or Clint? Hmmm...I'll take the local trainer who worked with my horses. Why? Because Clint & Pat aren't likely to come to my house 4 times/week and train my horses at a pice I can afford, and I need someone who is better at horses than I am who will do the work I can't do - read my horses and teach them one on one.

I don't really mind them selling DVDs, although they both get a bit heavy handed on their marketing. But I wish the average owner who needs help with a horse would think, "Is there someone I can hire?" Because if your knowledge of horses has resulted in your horse having a problem (and I speak from personal example), then a DVD won't help.

DVDs are for those ready to start training, but are often bought by folks who aren't ready to ride, let alone train. Some fault belongs with the marketing, but a lot belongs to people who want a quick or cheap fix to a problem that, in reality, they are responsible for creating. Again, I write as someone who has been guilty, although it isn't fun admitting it. :oops:

Like another Clint said:

 
#33 ·
Ok, lets put it this way.....who is a better marketer of their methods? Pat or Clint? I would say Pat, I take my hat off to his marketing strategy!
 
#34 ·
guys in the Bible it says treat others as you would want to be treated so let me give you an example.
you suck at riding you can't even sit in the saddle. You pull on the reins to much you jerk around your horse.
would really want some one to say this to you, I certainly wouldn't. but why do I even try to tell you if you don't listen?
 
#37 ·
Ummm... This isnt Sunday school... And lets put it this way, would you hire a lawyer that had about as much biting wit as a rock?? No! The thing Pat does that irks me is he markets himself as a horseman, yet he can't ride. Its kinda BS that he puts himself out there on DVDs and clinics to beginner horse trainers, yet can't sit a horse if his life depended on it and yanks their face off. It's quite sad, if only people could see throught the "magical" marketing ploy and look at the guy's raw skills, which are not that impressive...
 
#36 ·
*scratches head*

No idea how the Bible got all involved in this. Doesn't have anything to do with the subject at hand.

If I'm putting myself out there and saying I'm a trainer and can do all these marvelous things but FAIL at some of the very basic stuff then I open myself up to criticism whether I like it or not or the Bible said stuff.
 
#46 · (Edited)
What the HECK are you going on about, niky? Where did I say anything about PP?

Oh, and please use punctuation. That big, run on, hysterical sentence was extremely difficult to read.

As far as Nokota knowing who's a good or bad rider just because she agrees with you, doesn't make it so.

What does winning have to do with anything? I haven't shown in many years. That doesn't mean I shouldn't strive to be the best rider I can, just because I'm no longer on the show circuit.

I don't drink anybody's Koolaid, but it's pretty obvious you do. It's also obvious you're very young. Once you're older and have more experience, maybe you'll see that PP isn't the end all-be all of horsedom. Or maybe you won't. Won't affect me at all, either way.
 
#49 ·
Okayyyy, Niky. You know the saying "With age comes wisdom"? A lot of these people have been riding/training horse since before you were even born. I'm sure they would have the ability to see a good vs. a bad rider any time of day. You posted on a public forum asking for people's opinions. They gave their opinions. If anyone is making a fuss or a big deal about things, it is you. Be mature, type rationally. Don't hit the send button before thinking because that can get you in trouble.

These people are giving you their opinions because you asked for it. One should be able to take that in, say "Okay, I understand and respect your opinion" and maybe even reflect upon it. Why are so many people saying he's a bad rider? Watch him, and I mean WATCH him. Watch the horse. A lot of people focus on the tricks that he can do, how desensitized his horses are, that they forget to look at how he rides. Compare how he rides to professional trainers that are winning world shows. Do you see a difference? I know I would. Don't just throw a hissy fit when someone doesn't agree with you. Reflect upon it and maybe you can learn something new.
 
#61 ·
A bit of a tanget here again, but:

Why are so many people saying he's a bad rider? Watch him, and I mean WATCH him. Watch the horse. A lot of people focus on the tricks that he can do, how desensitized his horses are, that they forget to look at how he rides. Compare how he rides to professional trainers that are winning world shows.
You know, someone should make a video in which they are doing *exactly* the same movements in *exactly* the same order. Then it would be so easy to compare...

you know that he is a good rider, WHY can't you see that? All you do is look at the way he rides [...]
Well isn't that the way you normally determine if somebody's a good rider? By looking at how they ride?
 
#73 ·
Ya and that qualifies you how? Going to a clinic does not make you an expert in judging his riding ability. It makes it harder as you get all caught up in all the hype.
 
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