Originally Posted by CronesHubby
That is NOT what I stated after I admitted my mistake.(reading comprehension please)...I said that an Alpha has to be SOMEWHAT of a bully because at one point in time he/she had to earn all the other horses respect in the herd and needs to defend the herd from outside interference. Hence the words SOMEWHAT. A herd is not going to give someone the "lead" role just off one "look." At one point in time the alpha had to do something to get the respect of all the horses in the herd. Nh - I notice you want to tear me up and jump down my throat for my opinion yet jaydee is the one that said the alpha/lead has to be passive. I debated that and you jumped on ME. I didn't notice a correction aimed at jaydee. I see how it works around here. That's fine. Either that or you don't read everything and just like to show how smart you think you are or you just think you can bully new people to your point. Whatever. Again, I'm done with this thread.
And I was using Mark Rashids interpretation of a 'passive leader' so maybe take up your argument with him
I'm pretty sure that he uses the word passive as an opposite to aggressive/bully in the sense that the true herd leader doesnt need to be a bully or use aggression - this is behaviour seen in horses further down the pecking order and might even be a sign of a less confident horse being defensive. It doesnt mean that the alpha horse is some dopey thing that stands around and does nothing, though we have introduced several new horses to our small herd in the years since my oldest mare has been with us and though they may have challenged the others none have ever challenged her and she has never shown any violence towards them - her predecessor who was an 11.2 pony was exactly the same and she was in with 16.2 horses.
The alpha horse might even be recognised by its confidence and skills of perception as the others rely on that more for survival than they do on a horse that has a desire to attack - its rare for a horse to attack a predator as they are a fear/flight animal
As humans our best abilities over the horse is our superior intelligence and our confidence
A spooky nervous rider will almost always make a spooky nervous horse.
I have never needed to bully a horse into submission as its far better to make them rely on you, trust you and want to please you - and its not for the fact that I havent had some real b*****ds over the years
There is a huge difference in controlled discipline and teaching boundaries with horses and bullying them or lashing out in anger/temper which is what you see in that type of herd behaviour.
Our 'bully' mare is the most dependant on humans (and other horses) of all of ours. She doesnt have an aggressive or confrontational bone in her body where people are concerned and neither does her understudy.
You are also very wrong and totally out of order when you accuse any of us of ganging up on a new member - I'm sure that you will find threads where we have disagreed (and often very strongly) on other things.