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post #31 of 245 Old 01-30-2013, 05:58 PM
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Maybe if some people would stop talking as if PP is the only one that can do things or teach things then he wouldnt be getting so much stick
Perhaps its not the man who's to blame but the fans who think he should be sat on a pedestal above everyone else?
There are loads of great trainers out there all teaching much the same stuff, learn from them all if they have something worth offering
PS - All of my horses walk alongside me on a long rope - or even with no rope at all - does that make me great? No it doesnt.
All of this makes me think about 'Who's your favourite pop star (is that what they call them nowadays?)
Sorry but it seems very childish
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Pat or Clint? Hmmm...I'll take the local trainer who worked with my horses. Why? Because Clint & Pat aren't likely to come to my house 4 times/week and train my horses at a pice I can afford, and I need someone who is better at horses than I am who will do the work I can't do - read my horses and teach them one on one.

I don't really mind them selling DVDs, although they both get a bit heavy handed on their marketing. But I wish the average owner who needs help with a horse would think, "Is there someone I can hire?" Because if your knowledge of horses has resulted in your horse having a problem (and I speak from personal example), then a DVD won't help.

DVDs are for those ready to start training, but are often bought by folks who aren't ready to ride, let alone train. Some fault belongs with the marketing, but a lot belongs to people who want a quick or cheap fix to a problem that, in reality, they are responsible for creating. Again, I write as someone who has been guilty, although it isn't fun admitting it.

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Ok, lets put it this way.....who is a better marketer of their methods? Pat or Clint? I would say Pat, I take my hat off to his marketing strategy!
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guys in the Bible it says treat others as you would want to be treated so let me give you an example.
You suck at riding you can't even sit in the saddle. You pull on the reins to much you jerk around your horse.
Would really want some one to say this to you, I certainly wouldn't. But why do I even try to tell you if you don't listen?

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and guys don't forget everyone has their own thought on things so I am not goig to fight with you guys any more

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*scratches head*

No idea how the Bible got all involved in this. Doesn't have anything to do with the subject at hand.

If I'm putting myself out there and saying I'm a trainer and can do all these marvelous things but FAIL at some of the very basic stuff then I open myself up to criticism whether I like it or not or the Bible said stuff.
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guys in the Bible it says treat others as you would want to be treated so let me give you an example.
You suck at riding you can't even sit in the saddle. You pull on the reins to much you jerk around your horse.
Would really want some one to say this to you, I certainly wouldn't. But why do I even try to tell you if you don't listen?
Ummm... This isnt Sunday school... And lets put it this way, would you hire a lawyer that had about as much biting wit as a rock?? No! The thing Pat does that irks me is he markets himself as a horseman, yet he can't ride. Its kinda BS that he puts himself out there on DVDs and clinics to beginner horse trainers, yet can't sit a horse if his life depended on it and yanks their face off. It's quite sad, if only people could see throught the "magical" marketing ploy and look at the guy's raw skills, which are not that impressive...

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guys in the Bible it says treat others as you would want to be treated so let me give you an example.
You suck at riding you can't even sit in the saddle. You pull on the reins to much you jerk around your horse.
Would really want some one to say this to you, I certainly wouldn't. But why do I even try to tell you if you don't listen?
Well lets see. If I was a bad rider ya I would want it pointed out so I would know where I Needed to improve. That is why you go and take lessons for. SO you can have someone watch what you are doing and point out what you are doing wrong. Not really a hard concept.

Thing is that no one seems to be telling PP that what he is doing is wrong. Maybe b/c they are baffled by his B/S? You know what they say. "If you can not dazzle them with your brilliance baffle them with your bull Sh...T"

Only trainer to ever come off a horse at the "Road To the Horse" Competition. What does that tell you?? Has shown NRHA and yet has no earnings. Again what does that tell you? If he was as good as people seem to what to think he is or he thinks he is he should have a few $$ in earnings. The other trainers with DVDs do. CA does Stacy does. So why not PP??

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Well lets see. If I was a bad rider ya I would want it pointed out so I would know where I Needed to improve. That is why you go and take lessons for. SO you can have someone watch what you are doing and point out what you are doing wrong. Not really a hard concept.

Thing is that no one seems to be telling PP that what he is doing is wrong. Maybe b/c they are baffled by his B/S? You know what they say. "If you can not dazzle them with your brilliance baffle them with your bull Sh...T"

Only trainer to ever come off a horse at the "Road To the Horse" Competition. What does that tell you?? Has shown NRHA and yet has no earnings. Again what does that tell you? If he was as good as people seem to what to think he is or he thinks he is he should have a few $$ in earnings. The other trainers with DVDs do. CA does Stacy does. So why not PP??
ok cool

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guys in the Bible it says treat others as you would want to be treated so let me give you an example.
You suck at riding you can't even sit in the saddle. You pull on the reins to much you jerk around your horse.
Would really want some one to say this to you, I certainly wouldn't. But why do I even try to tell you if you don't listen?
Well I sure as hell would - how on earth can anyone expect to learn if they don't listen to good advice and have their faults pointed out?
This is why a hands on trainer is so much better than a DVD
I have a terrible habit of looking down at the horses shoulder and that makes me drop my own shoulder - I love having someone yell at me to tell me to stop doing it
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